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re: 3% Credit Card Fee

Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:30 pm to
Posted by ATL_Tigerfan
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2022
119 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:30 pm to
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That's usually against the ToS of their credit card processing provider

I know when I owned a gas station my processor was very clear that you aren't allowed to do that

Maybe things have changed or they don't care but it's a cost of doing business and seems petty to pass it down to the consumer


This is no longer the case. The VISA/MC agreements once prohibited the surcharge, in fact they would fine the bank of the merchant who surcharged to get the bank to come down on the merchant.

AmEx allowed the surcharges and VISA/MC followed them.

My problem with this is that the merchant is allowed to offer credit without having to have a credit and collection department. Accepting CC is outsourcing the credit function to increase sales, yet now the merchant does want to pay the outsourcing fee that helps them increase sales.

Payroll is another function that can be completed in-house that is often outsourced to a 3rd party provider, yet companies don't surcharge their employees for payroll processing.

I'm a 30 year bank auditor married to a 30 year veteran of the payment processing industry. We've seen the change and don't agree that it's good for the consumer. However the small business has a better lobby than the consumer and was able to get the change.

I avoid it whenever I can because it is a cost of doing business. I don't charge it to my clients, and avoid paying it at all costs.

I've seen many merchants take advantage of a 3% processing fee and surcharge 4.5%, blaming the banks, but the merchants have gotten greedy and don't want to incur legit costs of offering credit.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9675 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:06 pm to
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My problem with this is that the merchant is allowed to offer credit without having to have a credit and collection department. Accepting CC is outsourcing the credit function to increase sales, yet now the merchant does want to pay the outsourcing fee that helps them increase sales.

I get what you’re saying in principle, but I think that’s a somewhat antiquated way to look at credit cards nowadays.

I don’t think that specific value proposition - outsourcing credit/debt collection - really matters for the vast majority of merchants today. A gas station isn’t in a position to stop taking credit cards and start running their own credit accounts in the first place. Customers don’t want to deal with that.

If you look at merchants who deal with larger purchases, I don’t think it really applies to them either. A car dealership who offers financing options is not absorbing the cost of collections. In fact, they’re getting a kickback while still outsourcing it. The cost of collections are built into the bank’s rates. But if you use a credit card, they have to pay for the transaction. Why is it different?

IMHO, the cost associated with collections/debt service should be built into credit card users’ rates as well. Especially when you look at the higher fees from AMEX and Discover. There’s no benefit to the merchant for processing via AMEX instead of Visa/MC. The customer is the one getting value, in the form of cardholder benefits and/or rates. So why should other customers have to subsidize those benefits?

I guess my position is this: I don’t really like blanket 3% fees but I also don’t have a problem with the general idea of merchants passing those costs back to the customer. In a perfect system, I’d think the merchant fees would be basically equal for credit and debit purchases and it would be a non-issue.

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I've seen many merchants take advantage of a 3% processing fee and surcharge 4.5%, blaming the banks, but the merchants have gotten greedy and don't want to incur legit costs of offering credit.

I do agree that it’s shitty when they try to take advantage for an extra profit, which I think is likely still happening even with a 3% blanket fee to customers.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 7:09 pm
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20053 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:17 am to
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My problem with this is that the merchant is allowed to offer credit without having to have a credit and collection department. Accepting CC is outsourcing the credit function to increase sales, yet now the merchant does want to pay the outsourcing fee that helps them increase sales.


This guy gets it.
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