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re: LeVar Burton shocked to discover he's descended from a Confederate soldier
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:20 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:20 am to Darth_Vader
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fought to protect the institution of slavery
Are we still on this bullshite?
I'm from the north, descended of 1910s era European immigrants. I have no bias in this issue.
But, do people really believe...
1) war was over solely slavery
2)hundreds of thousands of men in a nation of what 20-30 million would take up arms over slavery?
There's slavery all over middle east, Africa, and Asia nowadays. I don't see anybody taking up arms.
You fought for where you lived. Like 95+% fought for state they lived in. Very few people owned slaves in the South.
Sorry for rambling I'm just tired of people being fricking dumb.
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:24 am to Privateer 2007
I just quoted the story. I know slavery was a big issue that lead to the Civil War, that cannot be denied. But it was not the sole reason for the Civil War, nor was it what motivated the vast majority of Southern men and Northern men who didn’t even own slaves or care anything about it to take up arms.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:24 am to Privateer 2007
quote:
But, do people really believe...
1) war was over solely slavery
2)hundreds of thousands of men in a nation of what 20-30 million would take up arms over slavery?
Yes.
Stupid people and/or people with an agenda.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:44 am to Privateer 2007
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But, do people really believe...
1) war was over solely slavery
2)hundreds of thousands of men in a nation of what 20-30 million would take up arms over slavery?
Yes. If you lived outside the South, you would know this.
My school grade years were in New York, and that is pretty much how it is taught. The Southern version of the war is much different than Northern version.
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There's slavery all over middle east, Africa, and Asia nowadays. I don't see anybody taking up arms.
It is not official government sanctioned slavery, that is what existed in the world back in the 1800s and before. There is slavery still in the USA, if you want to go down that route.
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You fought for where you lived. Like 95+% fought for state they lived in
People were also extremely ignorant back then, lacking proper schooling and access to communication/information. How many would have fought, if they had the knowledge we had today?
Posted on 1/22/24 at 8:34 am to Privateer 2007
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But, do people really believe...
1) war was over solely slavery
2)hundreds of thousands of men in a nation of what 20-30 million would take up arms over slavery?
Some do, and some try to say it was a minor issue, but neither is correct. However, it is clear that slavery was the driving issue for at least most of the southern state governments, at least. All the states that published a document outlining their reasons for secession specifically listed slavery as the principal reason and in some cases the sole reason the state legislature chose to secede But not all states published such a document.
In terms of why most fought for either side, there is much more variance. Anything from simple conscription regardless of their desire, lack of work opportunities, allegiance to their State as the primary seat of governance (as I think the founders intended), etc. For most soldiers on both sides, I suspect the institution of slavery was not their motivation.
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There's slavery all over middle east, Africa, and Asia nowadays. I don't see anybody taking up arms.
Not institutional slavery in any of those places that I know of with the possible exception of China and their prison labor system.
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You fought for where you lived. Like 95+% fought for state they lived in.
Even a few West Point graduates struggled over this and decided that their first allegiance lay with their state. Robert E. Lee was offered the command of the Federal forces in April 1861. Lee declined and tendered his resignation from the army when the state of Virginia seceded on April 17, arguing that he could not fight against his own people. Lee had been the superintendent of West Point from 1852 to 1855. Our countrymen's identity at the time lay primarily with the State rather than the Federal government.
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Very few people owned slaves in the South.
That is true but quite a few of the legislators did.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:32 am to Privateer 2007
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But, do people really believe...
1) war was over solely slavery
2)hundreds of thousands of men in a nation of what 20-30 million would take up arms over slavery?
While not 100% over slavery, it was the primary cause by a good bit. Every other grievance was minor or tangentially related to slavery and/or economic impacts of slavery. Anyone arguing against that has not read the articles of secession from the various states. As Mr. Burton always said, "You don't have to take my word for it."
Georgia:
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The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic
Mississippi:
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In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course. Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.
SC:
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The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."
This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:52 am to Privateer 2007
quote:quote:But, do people really believe...
fought to protect the institution of slavery
1) war was over solely slavery
When it's a discussion of a black guy's ancestry, the slavery part is the valid point, which they made.
"Levar Burton shocked to discover ancestor fought for state's rights" would miss the entire point of the reveal.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:45 pm to Privateer 2007
Are there any good books regarding the motivations for the war? Something not driven by propaganda.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:12 pm to Privateer 2007
quote:
But, do people really believe...
1) war was over solely slavery
2)hundreds of thousands of men in a nation of what 20-30 million would take up arms over slavery?
You may want to read the Articles of Secession from MS, GA, TX, VA and SC. Slavery was main reason listed by the (at least) those states.
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