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What is your 8 man Pelicans lineup?
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:30 pm
Thought it was interesting last night that when Breen or Doris said that having a very deep team could be a blessing and a curse. Doc like immediately says it's a curse. No hesitation and repeated it, it's a curse. Said that you'd 100% rather have 8 guys that just stand out from the rest.
Honestly I hadn't really thought of it like that before but it was interesting to hear a coach say that being a deep team isn't what he'd prefer.
I get it though. For example with Naji. I think we all like Naji and want him to do well and have a nice career. Plus he's a great teammate. But ideally you'd want a guy like Hawkins to be a clear cut better player than Naji so you don't have to split good minutes between 2-3 players.
Going by his give me 8 guys that stand out/you know you can ride with/for sure your heavy playoff minutes guys, we have Zion, BI, CJ, Trey, Val, and Herb. 6 of 8. Are there two other guys that clearly stand out that have to get solid minutes?
I feel like Larry is by default, even though he isn't in the 7-9th "best player" range, is one of the guys that is guaranteed to play even in shortened lineups because of position. Then it gets sketchy on who you want to ride or die with if you had to cut the lineup down. Could you pick one of Jose, Dyson, or Hawkins as the most crucial piece to ride with? Naji and possibly (but probably not) Matt Ryan in the mix.
Honestly I hadn't really thought of it like that before but it was interesting to hear a coach say that being a deep team isn't what he'd prefer.
I get it though. For example with Naji. I think we all like Naji and want him to do well and have a nice career. Plus he's a great teammate. But ideally you'd want a guy like Hawkins to be a clear cut better player than Naji so you don't have to split good minutes between 2-3 players.
Going by his give me 8 guys that stand out/you know you can ride with/for sure your heavy playoff minutes guys, we have Zion, BI, CJ, Trey, Val, and Herb. 6 of 8. Are there two other guys that clearly stand out that have to get solid minutes?
I feel like Larry is by default, even though he isn't in the 7-9th "best player" range, is one of the guys that is guaranteed to play even in shortened lineups because of position. Then it gets sketchy on who you want to ride or die with if you had to cut the lineup down. Could you pick one of Jose, Dyson, or Hawkins as the most crucial piece to ride with? Naji and possibly (but probably not) Matt Ryan in the mix.
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:33 pm to iwyLSUiwy
CJ
Herb
BI
Zion
JV
Trey
Dyson
Larry
You have Jose and Naji if you need an energetic spark plug and you have Hawkins and Matt Ryan if you need some shooting
But I think those 8 will be the default 8
Herb
BI
Zion
JV
Trey
Dyson
Larry
You have Jose and Naji if you need an energetic spark plug and you have Hawkins and Matt Ryan if you need some shooting
But I think those 8 will be the default 8
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:36 pm to Terrific Tales
Your 8th guy is matchup dependent. You probably bring in Jose as the main 8th guy, but use Dyson if you need extra defense or Hawkins if you need extra shooting.
Realistically, the 8 man rotation is probably closer to a 9 player rotation with Jose and Dyson. I don't see Hawkins or Naji getting a lot of playing time in a playoff series if everyone is healthy.
Realistically, the 8 man rotation is probably closer to a 9 player rotation with Jose and Dyson. I don't see Hawkins or Naji getting a lot of playing time in a playoff series if everyone is healthy.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:40 pm to saints5021
I think Dyson by June will probably be the default option at backup PG.
Right now it’s a toss up but I think by that point it will be Dyson
Right now it’s a toss up but I think by that point it will be Dyson
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:50 pm to Terrific Tales
quote:
But I think those 8 will be the default 8
I think that's probably right but right now if I had to make a coaches I think I'd ride with Jose over Dyson.
Thankfully that is not something we have to do because the rest of the year is going to be huge for Dysons development. But, if the playoffs started today, I think Jose is a more important piece. Shooting almost 40% from three, is the spark, and his defense/steals/turnovers forced is so big.
To Doc's point, it's better for this team if Dyson got to the point where we all were like "yea you can't take away Dysons minutes and give them to Jose." But he's not there yet and might not ever get there.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:59 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I disagree with Larry not being in our top 9 best players. This current version (healthy) of Larry is absolutely in our top 7-9 regardless of the situation.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 4:24 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Im playing 9 in playoffs not 8. If 8 is truly restricted im playing Hawk over Dyson.
Offense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Defense.
Edit:
Zion
BI
CJ
Trey
JV (assuming hes here)
Herb
Hawk
Larry
(Dyson) 9th
Offense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Defense.
Edit:
Zion
BI
CJ
Trey
JV (assuming hes here)
Herb
Hawk
Larry
(Dyson) 9th
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 1/11/24 at 4:57 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
Im playing 9 in playoffs not 8. If 8 is truly restricted im playing Hawk over Dyson.
Hawk and Dyson aren’t really like for like in the way that you would choose to play one over the other
Ideally you would have one of CJ, Zion, Ingram, Dyson on the floor at all times
Those are your best playmakers on the team
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:52 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Dyson is better than #9 for sure. Dude gets better and better every night and will be a legit NBA starter at some point in his career.
Zion BI CJ Trey JV (assuming hes here) Herb Hawk Larry
(Dyson) 9th
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:04 am to VanillaExpress
quote:
I disagree with Larry not being in our top 9 best players. This current version (healthy) of Larry is absolutely in our top 7-9 regardless of the situation.
I can see that just based off his basketball IQ and how he limits mistakes when he's on the court, but I definitely don't think he's one of the 7 or 8th best. I could see an argument for 9 but I wouldn't put him there. He is just limited in his skillset.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:13 am to iwyLSUiwy
I think it has to be:
CJ
Herb
BI
Zion
JV
Trey
Larry
Dyson or Hawk (This is matchup dependent to me)
Jose and Naji may get a few minutes here in there in a 1st round matchup but past the 1st round those guys arent playoff guys
CJ
Herb
BI
Zion
JV
Trey
Larry
Dyson or Hawk (This is matchup dependent to me)
Jose and Naji may get a few minutes here in there in a 1st round matchup but past the 1st round those guys arent playoff guys
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:15 am to iwyLSUiwy
BI
Zion
CJ
Herb
JV
Trey
Dyson
Hawkins
Larry
Jose and Naji are the odd men out and only put in if you need a spark.
When we got shooters such as Trey and Hawkins on the court it spaces things out so much better
Zion
CJ
Herb
JV
Trey
Dyson
Hawkins
Larry
Jose and Naji are the odd men out and only put in if you need a spark.
When we got shooters such as Trey and Hawkins on the court it spaces things out so much better
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:33 am to Balsamic_duck
I agree totally with you and when would we not want shooters out there?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:19 am to iwyLSUiwy
Nah, give me the deep team with players with different strengths. Then I can play matchups. You don’t need to play them all. It’s not like they all do the same things. Need sharp shooter scoring, go Hawk. Need a driver/slasher who can also shoot some and bring energy, go Naji. Need a strong guard defender go Dyson. Need a spark go Jose. Also helps if the refs try to take over with fouls. Only 8 deep and getting in foul trouble leaves you in a hole.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:22 am to Shingo
Trey is 6
Larry is 7
Jose is 8
Dyson shoots 30% from three. He will be hunted.
ETA: DD's shooting splits are 43/30/66. He isn't playable. Jose is shooting almost 40% from three. Anyone who thinks Willie is going to play DD for Jose hasn't followed the Pels closely.
Larry is 7
Jose is 8
Dyson shoots 30% from three. He will be hunted.
ETA: DD's shooting splits are 43/30/66. He isn't playable. Jose is shooting almost 40% from three. Anyone who thinks Willie is going to play DD for Jose hasn't followed the Pels closely.
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/12/24 at 12:11 pm to Solo
quote:
DD's shooting splits are 43/30/66. He isn't playable
Hes been shooting much better recently and is probably the best point of attack defender on the team. He's got to play. There's too much potential
Posted on 1/12/24 at 12:24 pm to whatiknowsofar
There's no hard rule that you have to play 8.
I looked at some box scores from the playoffs last year and lots of teams played 9. Now granted, the 9th guy got less than 10 minutes but still played.
I think that 9th guy is Jose.
Hawkins and Naji are odd men out.
I looked at some box scores from the playoffs last year and lots of teams played 9. Now granted, the 9th guy got less than 10 minutes but still played.
I think that 9th guy is Jose.
Hawkins and Naji are odd men out.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 12:49 pm to ghost2most
In a playoff game for this season, I’m putting Jose and Larry in before Hawk and Dyson. Jose can change a game from his energy and defense. And Larry, if nothing else has experience including finals experience. I would ideally want all 4 to play though.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 1:31 pm to Solo
quote:
Dyson shoots 30% from three.
I bet you he won’t be by June
Posted on 1/12/24 at 2:07 pm to Solo
quote:
Dyson shoots 30% from three. He will be hunted.
That's not what hunted means. Hunted means you're a defensive liability and will be put into switches until the other team's best player is guarded by the guy being hunted. Jose would be hunted due to his size.
A guy like lebron would hunt a jose matchup and take him to the rim. That's much harder againt a 6'8 guy like dyson
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