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Rural Land Investment
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:35 pm
What are the thoughts on picking up acreage as a long-term hold? Not a hunter but using the land for some business activities or subleasing for those who hunt, timber, etc -
I read that auctions offer great windows into it but what are the thoughts? I am diversified and in a good spot to do something different
I read that auctions offer great windows into it but what are the thoughts? I am diversified and in a good spot to do something different
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:29 pm to bamatiger90
I have been strongly considering the same thing the last year or so, but haven’t pulled the trigger. It is hard for me to get over making that size investment without much of a monthly or annual income from the property….especially comparing that vs my rental properties.
I am a hunter though so i would most likely buy a place i can hunt, so i would be relying on appreciation to get any return.
I am a hunter though so i would most likely buy a place i can hunt, so i would be relying on appreciation to get any return.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:54 pm to bamatiger90
Can’t imagine buying rural land that I wouldn’t use for hunting, fishing, etc. One problem is that when you want to sell it can be harder to move than residential property. Or at least that is my impression.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:42 am to bamatiger90
Just relying on historical appreciation of rural land makes for a crappy ROI. Hunting leases are not lucrative enough to move the needle. Unless you can find a good deal ( and those are less common than ever) or derive significant personal enjoyment from land ownership and upkeep (and few actually enjoy the upkeep, maintenance on equipment, etc.) it’s not a good investment imo. And I own rural timberland.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 7:51 am
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:14 pm to bamatiger90
This thread is interesting. I inherited 75 acres of rural land. Not being used for anything currently but some friends hunt it. It’s 40 miles outside a major city so I was thinking of holding it to see how the price increases. There is also a small town 10 miles away that is building houses like crazy the last 2 years.
It seems from the current replies I would be better selling now and investing than waiting. Most recent appraisal I got was only $4000 an acre. Thoughts?
It seems from the current replies I would be better selling now and investing than waiting. Most recent appraisal I got was only $4000 an acre. Thoughts?
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:14 pm to bamatiger90
I bought 130 acres in 2017 for $1875 per acre. Places around me selling in the $3,000-3,500 per acre range currently. Seems to have been a good investment but I don’t have plans to sell we use it to hunt. Helps that the surrounding area has seen steady development.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:20 pm to bamatiger90
quote:As a pure investment, it's likely lousy. If there are ancillary/non-tangible benefits, then it's up to your own personal utility curve.
What are the thoughts on picking up acreage as a long-term hold? Not a hunter but using the land for some business activities or subleasing for those who hunt, timber, etc -
I read that auctions offer great windows into it but what are the thoughts? I am diversified and in a good spot to do something different
Even in the bayoudude example given, that's only like a 7-8% IRR over the 7 years.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:12 am to bamatiger90
I handle most of the land sales in our brokerage, mostly because realtors in general hate dealing with land. Commissions are low and they don’t understand it.
I don’t need the money and like it.
Important things to consider, access, flood plain, topography.
If it’s got all 3, it’s worth looking at to hold in the south, I can’t really speak to other areas of the country as the dynamics are different.
Find a crazy realtor like me to do a lot of your legwork for you to find a good option. Once you have the timber cut the first time, you’ll have to spend a fair bit cleaning up their mess, but once you have you can replant for future timber harvesting, set up for hunting, subdivide it, etc.
It’s a 10-20 year plan minimum if you ask me, but a good long term one. They aren’t making any more.
I don’t need the money and like it.
Important things to consider, access, flood plain, topography.
If it’s got all 3, it’s worth looking at to hold in the south, I can’t really speak to other areas of the country as the dynamics are different.
Find a crazy realtor like me to do a lot of your legwork for you to find a good option. Once you have the timber cut the first time, you’ll have to spend a fair bit cleaning up their mess, but once you have you can replant for future timber harvesting, set up for hunting, subdivide it, etc.
It’s a 10-20 year plan minimum if you ask me, but a good long term one. They aren’t making any more.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:01 am to bamatiger90
Depending on what the land is now, you could get federal/ state grants and tax breaks to reforest the land and then sell the carbon credits to west coast idiots
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:26 am to bamatiger90
True Rural land outside of urban sprawl boundaries have a very slow appreciation rate. Not much "investment" opportunity unless you use it for timber or recreation. There is always the oddball situation where a wealthy neighbor wants to buy your adjoining land for a high price or some industrial facility being built near you to shoot values up, other than that values/prices ride boringly steady.
Best bet for appreciation is to stay within 30-50 miles of major urban areas and wait 10 years until the suburbs make their way to you. Subdivide and sell.
Best bet for appreciation is to stay within 30-50 miles of major urban areas and wait 10 years until the suburbs make their way to you. Subdivide and sell.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:49 am to bamatiger90
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I read that auctions
I'm interested in this, any links where you read this?
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