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re: Imagine if you will….a College Football Players Union (CFPU)
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:31 pm to LSU82BILL
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:31 pm to LSU82BILL
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Why would players want to form a union now? They basically have no workplace restrictions, no pay structure limits and unrestricted free agency.
Facts. I find it inevitable that a union forms in the future because these kids are both the labor and the product. But sure as shite the talented players hold all the cards right now in this unregulated environment and it would be hard to get enough buy in at the current moment.
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Posted on 12/29/23 at 8:54 am to Drex26
After the inevitable breakaway. The top 40 universities will name a Commissioner to run the show. He and a committee will negotiate TV and Media contracts as well as implementing NIL and Transfer bylaws voted in by said committee………
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:31 am to Drex26
Over the past couple of years, I have switched to a pro-union, players as employees model for college athletics. I think it is inevitable and will solve lots of issues. Pros:
1. Players get treated more fairly.
2. Football will get divided into different tiers: top 40 or so athletic programs compete w each other and pay higher salaries. Lower tiers pay less but for most players- getting a free college education and some money while playing is a good deal. If a 2 star player at a lower tier school develops notably, then they can transfer to a higher tier school for higher pay.
3. Salary cap eliminates the same blue bloods always rigging the system in their favor. Have real consequences for schools caught violating the salary cap.
4. Lower tier schools have their own championships. Have relegation based on athletic program performance.
5. Athletes in other sports are compensated based on their sports income. If n athlete plays a sport that produces little income, then they get a free education and pizza money. Still better than current setup. This will also help promote football. Fewer kids are playing football at the youth level bc of risks. This will incentivize playing football over other sports.
1. Players get treated more fairly.
2. Football will get divided into different tiers: top 40 or so athletic programs compete w each other and pay higher salaries. Lower tiers pay less but for most players- getting a free college education and some money while playing is a good deal. If a 2 star player at a lower tier school develops notably, then they can transfer to a higher tier school for higher pay.
3. Salary cap eliminates the same blue bloods always rigging the system in their favor. Have real consequences for schools caught violating the salary cap.
4. Lower tier schools have their own championships. Have relegation based on athletic program performance.
5. Athletes in other sports are compensated based on their sports income. If n athlete plays a sport that produces little income, then they get a free education and pizza money. Still better than current setup. This will also help promote football. Fewer kids are playing football at the youth level bc of risks. This will incentivize playing football over other sports.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:01 am to NewBeginnings
This is exactly the kind of response and discussion I had hoped would come out of posting this topic. I was getting tired of everyone reacting (positively and negatively) to our present state of NIL and transfer portal issues. We need to think about what the future holds. A players union is a real possibility at the rate we’re going.. And while it may at first glance appear to be a negative, there can be an upside if it is implemented and regulated properly. A salary cap would end the outrageous amounts being paid to individuals and allow a more equitable distribution of that money to everyone including sports other than football not to mention the universities they represent.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:04 am to Drex26
They already have the leverage. Wtf is a union needed for?
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:35 am to ExpoTiger
That’s like saying Congress already has the power and the money, what do they need the rest of us for. These are kids barely out of high school demanding and being given more money than some pros. You don’t think that needs some kind of control or collective bargaining that would benefit those players who are loyal but less talented? This will only get more out of hand the longer it is allowed unless you like how it’s changing the sport.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 3:02 pm to Drex26
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That’s like saying Congress already has the power and the money, what do they need the rest of us for. These are kids barely out of high school demanding and being given more money than some pros. You don’t think that needs some kind of control or collective bargaining that would benefit those players who are loyal but less talented? This will only get more out of hand the longer it is allowed unless you like how it’s changing the sport.
I think we have different opinions about what a college players union would mean. Just go ahead and cancel all this shite already. This is about individual greed. You think a college gives a frick about the greater good? This generation is different.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 3:35 pm to ExpoTiger
I actually agree with you. I wish they had left it the way it was and the way we have enjoyed it for generations. Unfortunately that is simply not the case. This generation has been influenced by the greed and arrogance of the NFL prima donnas. We are now dealing with that culture at the college level. This will not end well. My thoughts on a Players Union were only to discuss ways to reign in what is already in place. It’s a slippery slope for sure.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 4:21 pm to Drex26
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I actually agree with you. I wish they had left it the way it was and the way we have enjoyed it for generations. Unfortunately that is simply not the case. This generation has been influenced by the greed and arrogance of the NFL prima donnas. We are now dealing with that culture at the college level. This will not end well. My thoughts on a Players Union were only to discuss ways to reign in what is already in place. It’s a slippery slope for sure.
I can’t argue with any of that man. Sounds pretty spot on to me.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:48 pm to Drex26
Imagine if you will, in just 10 years or so, all versions of football are played 7-on-7 with some sort of flag football rules. (The NFL Pro bowl will be flag style this year.)
The Elite 11 camps also could be a model. All skill people and no room for the big guys. The offspring of the Heards and the Noels had better learn to be bouncers.
Plus soccer moms are currently opting for Brayden and Jamal to play flag football rather than tackle football in elementary school and that’s where it all starts.
Just think, we could be on the verge of seeing the return of leather helmets and no face masks.
Yeah, once again, the lawyers are leading the charge.
The Elite 11 camps also could be a model. All skill people and no room for the big guys. The offspring of the Heards and the Noels had better learn to be bouncers.
Plus soccer moms are currently opting for Brayden and Jamal to play flag football rather than tackle football in elementary school and that’s where it all starts.
Just think, we could be on the verge of seeing the return of leather helmets and no face masks.
Yeah, once again, the lawyers are leading the charge.
This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:13 am to NewBeginnings
Will all this only apply to football? How do you apply this to all sports? You could see a true minor league formed and we go back to amateur athletics at colleges.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:16 am to Drex26
Greed of the adults too. Everything about the NCAA is money and new TV contracts. That’s the lesson we’ve taught younger people.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 11:24 am to Drex26
I’m literally not even a “union guy” at all but the lack of self-awareness in this post is astonishing—it’s so outrageous that it’s honestly hard to believe.
Let’s think a second about the situation and what Drex26 is saying…
Currently, there are fans, boosters, businesspeople, etc., who have decided that it’s worth it to them—whether the decision is a smart one is besides the point; all that matters is that they’ve decided it’s worth their while—to do business with and pay money to college athletes on account of either their ability or their marketing value or some combination thereof. And, presented with the possibility that these athletes might strategize as to the best way to negotiate with the people they’re doing business with, drex26 calls them “next level greedy”.
One more time: Ensuring that their rights—to do business with people who want to do business with them—are protected, and that people are held accountable if they violate those rights, is “next level greedy” according to OP.
It’s even funnier when you consider what dog Drex26 has in this fight: Nobody is forcing him to give any money to anyone; nobody is taking away *his* ability to do business with anyone. No—the thing he’s upset about is the fact that people he doesn’t know are allowed to do business with people who want to do business with them. Why does this upset him? Because an entertainment product he enjoys might be a little different than he’s used to.
If someone is willing to pay money to these athletes, why shouldn’t the athletes be allowed to get paid? According to OP, it’s because he might enjoy watching them a little less. He says they’re “next level greedy” for putting their own livelihood above his enjoyment of his watching habits.
Let’s think a second about the situation and what Drex26 is saying…
Currently, there are fans, boosters, businesspeople, etc., who have decided that it’s worth it to them—whether the decision is a smart one is besides the point; all that matters is that they’ve decided it’s worth their while—to do business with and pay money to college athletes on account of either their ability or their marketing value or some combination thereof. And, presented with the possibility that these athletes might strategize as to the best way to negotiate with the people they’re doing business with, drex26 calls them “next level greedy”.
One more time: Ensuring that their rights—to do business with people who want to do business with them—are protected, and that people are held accountable if they violate those rights, is “next level greedy” according to OP.
It’s even funnier when you consider what dog Drex26 has in this fight: Nobody is forcing him to give any money to anyone; nobody is taking away *his* ability to do business with anyone. No—the thing he’s upset about is the fact that people he doesn’t know are allowed to do business with people who want to do business with them. Why does this upset him? Because an entertainment product he enjoys might be a little different than he’s used to.
If someone is willing to pay money to these athletes, why shouldn’t the athletes be allowed to get paid? According to OP, it’s because he might enjoy watching them a little less. He says they’re “next level greedy” for putting their own livelihood above his enjoyment of his watching habits.
This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:32 pm to LifeAquatic
So Life Aquatic might as well be swimming with the fishes since he missed the entire point of my post. Open your eyes and realize the very obvious similarities of NCAA Sports to the NFL and other professional sports. As it evolves and continues to go down its present path, a Players Union would certainly be the next logical step including salary caps, collective bargaining, input into rules, regulations, etc. Since its inception, NIL and the portal have started the ball rolling toward that inevitability. My reference to the “next greedy level” is directed to opportunists in the form of corrupt player agents, bad contracts, and free agency moving us further and further away from amateur sports and closer and closer to the professional level. If that’s what you want, then that’s what you’re going to get being the “capitalist” that you are. I’m not against these young student athletes making money in exchange for their talents but where does it end and how can it be regulated to benefit all college sports and reward players of lesser talent who are arguably the loyal foundation of a team. Remember “team sport” or is that not a concept you can comprehend? One thing is for sure, more change is coming. The less it is is controlled by a union or something similar, the more it will be like viewing two Sundays back to back. If that’s the change aqua-man (or woman) is supporting then amateur college sports will be a fading remnant of its former self. I can still be a capitalist(which I am) and tune it out if it becomes another USFL. Watch what you wish for in water world.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 3:42 pm to NewBeginnings
6. Signees have to sign 4 year contracts. No transfers without sitting for a year.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 7:43 am to kajunman
Seems like the NCAA would get ahead of this but who knows.
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