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re: President of NCAA proposes NIL rule change
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:36 am to DeathByTossDive225
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:36 am to DeathByTossDive225
They should put a cap on it by sport/position.
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:36 am to skullhawk
I’ve seen some dumb ideas, but this has to rank near if not at the top of that list.
In order for a PUBLIC university to manage those funds they must have some sort of control of them. For them to control those funds they would in some way have to become at least quasi-public funds.
Once that money enters that area, every elected member of a state’s legislature is going to try to exercise some sort of control. There will be those who will attempt to tap them to shore up some budget shortfall. Others will try to use them to create some new entitlement. They will also be used as leverage to get someone to vote a certain way or they will vote against dispersing the funds.
On the other hand, it would be as Edwin Edwards once said “sweeter than a full pardon” for private schools like Notre Dame who aren’t beholden to elected officials.
Run, run away very fast.
In order for a PUBLIC university to manage those funds they must have some sort of control of them. For them to control those funds they would in some way have to become at least quasi-public funds.
Once that money enters that area, every elected member of a state’s legislature is going to try to exercise some sort of control. There will be those who will attempt to tap them to shore up some budget shortfall. Others will try to use them to create some new entitlement. They will also be used as leverage to get someone to vote a certain way or they will vote against dispersing the funds.
On the other hand, it would be as Edwin Edwards once said “sweeter than a full pardon” for private schools like Notre Dame who aren’t beholden to elected officials.
Run, run away very fast.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:43 am to DeathByTossDive225
Love it. Hope it goes through.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:44 am to LSU_Legz
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You think LSU can't afford to pay like other places?!
We won't be able to compete with schools like Texas, A&M, Bama, Ohio State, and Georgia.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:46 am to DeathByTossDive225
This sounds like a disaster for college football.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:46 am to DeathByTossDive225
I'm in favor of paying athletes but there needs to be a cap on earnings so that the schools with the most money aren't hoarding all the players.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:55 am to LSU_Legz
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You think LSU can't afford to pay like other places?!
Alright, fair points have been made — I’ll walk back “almost certainly”.
Bottom line: This is NOT a small or insignificant proposal. It’s difficult to project outcomes given all the dominos bound to fall, but make no mistake — this would be a huge deal.
I can accept the argument that the can has been opened …so may as well get as much as possible above board.
I just don’t see this ending well & it is wayyyy more complex than even something like a pro team (given the ties to public institutions, politics etc) — there really is no precedent.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:57 am to DeathByTossDive225
They can’t stop players from getting NIL money on their own so I don’t see how this changes anything.
The transfer regulations are where the NCAA should be focusing. It seems like that would be an area where they really do have control and it would make a big difference.
The transfer regulations are where the NCAA should be focusing. It seems like that would be an area where they really do have control and it would make a big difference.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:59 am to LouisianaLonghorn
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We won't be able to compete with schools like Texas, A&M, Bama, Ohio State, and Georgia.
Georgia & maybe also Bama don’t even belong on that list. Replace with like USC/Washington/Vandy hypthetical 5 years after this is implemented lol.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:04 am to DeathByTossDive225
Just end the farce that is college athletics. This has gotten absurd and many of these kids have no business at a university. Go pro and force the NFL to make its own minor league. All these “great teachers” called overpaid college coaches can go coach there instead of making a mockery of college athletics.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:09 am to DeathByTossDive225
So they will be employees? Will there be clauses in the contract that prevents transfer?
How do you cut or process a player that is employed by the school ?
Seems like they are creating a lot of potential legal headaches if altered are employed. I would imagine that the way would be considered state employees then? Do they get benefits like other employees?
How do you cut or process a player that is employed by the school ?
Seems like they are creating a lot of potential legal headaches if altered are employed. I would imagine that the way would be considered state employees then? Do they get benefits like other employees?
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 11:35 am
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:11 am to DeathByTossDive225
Can we get free agents in the middle of the season so we can make the playoff committee happy?
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:11 am to Geauxgurt
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Just end the farce that is college athletics. This has gotten absurd and many of these kids have no business at a university. Go pro and force the NFL to make its own minor league. All these “great teachers” called overpaid college coaches can go coach there instead of making a mockery of college athletics.
You’re categorically correct, and that is a sad state of reality. The only reason this hasn’t happened already is there are a million people like us who went to school and/or grew up on this stuff & just aren’t ready to let it go.
I don’t think it’s as bulletproof as I used to believe though — I can actually imagine something like that happening (would take a few generations) at this point.
And maybe something needs to happen… I wasn’t even going to bark up the “overpaid” tree but since you went there…
I love football, but if a man is really worth $10M maybe he should actually be doing something more important anyway lol. File under tough pills to swallow.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 11:15 am
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:16 am to themunch
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Can we get free agents in the middle of the season so we can make the playoff committee happy?
Omg lol. This is definitely coming down the pipe.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:19 am to DeathByTossDive225
You know, it's pretty alarming that someone who should be smart enough to be the NCAA president can't understand what the Supreme Court said about NIL and how Title IX works.
#1: There can be no "cap" to NIL. The Supreme Court was clear on that: an athlete cannot be prohibited from competing based on the amount of money he or she gets by entering a NIL deal with a third party.
#2: Colleges themselves will never get away with using disparate "NIL" deals to make an end-around of Title IX to pay male football players differently from female softball players. I think it is highly unlikely a court would buy that nonsense.
#3: I know this means that the colleges have to make handshake deals with guys like Gordon McKernan to pay football players their market value. That's a problem of Title IX, not NIL. And Congress isn't going to repeal Title IX (and it's stupid for the NCAA to even ask for an official end-around).
#4: The good news is that women can get NIL money as well, like Livvy Dunne (who had NIL money before getting to LSU) or Angel Reese (who got paid because she led LSU to a national title). The market can be cruel and it can be kind.
Yes, the rules have changed. The practical result is that most of what was under the table is now above board (and seems to be available to more athletes). How is that a bad thing? Well, with the way the NCAA and college presidents still want to live in 1950 and have that type of control of the athlete's lives, it will be a long time before they admit that anything could be better.
GEAUX TIGERS!
#1: There can be no "cap" to NIL. The Supreme Court was clear on that: an athlete cannot be prohibited from competing based on the amount of money he or she gets by entering a NIL deal with a third party.
#2: Colleges themselves will never get away with using disparate "NIL" deals to make an end-around of Title IX to pay male football players differently from female softball players. I think it is highly unlikely a court would buy that nonsense.
#3: I know this means that the colleges have to make handshake deals with guys like Gordon McKernan to pay football players their market value. That's a problem of Title IX, not NIL. And Congress isn't going to repeal Title IX (and it's stupid for the NCAA to even ask for an official end-around).
#4: The good news is that women can get NIL money as well, like Livvy Dunne (who had NIL money before getting to LSU) or Angel Reese (who got paid because she led LSU to a national title). The market can be cruel and it can be kind.
Yes, the rules have changed. The practical result is that most of what was under the table is now above board (and seems to be available to more athletes). How is that a bad thing? Well, with the way the NCAA and college presidents still want to live in 1950 and have that type of control of the athlete's lives, it will be a long time before they admit that anything could be better.
GEAUX TIGERS!
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 11:22 am
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:20 am to DeathByTossDive225
Probably a step in the right direction, honestly. Could kill the transfer portal because now these kids will be signing legitimate employment contracts with the university’s athletic department. Also easy to audit for compliance issues. There will likely be salary caps involved as well.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:21 am to DeathByTossDive225
What does this solve?
My best guess it’s a prelude to some sort of salary cap. To do so creates a monopoly that controls wages. But, what about the NFL? They do it so why not colleges?
It works in the NFL because the players who ARE EMPLOYEES are represented by a players union who has hammered out a collective bargaining agreement with the owners that the players have voted to accept.
College athletes are not employees of any university. So they don’t have a union to bargain for a working agreement with non-existent employers.
So to facilitate this the NCAA member schools will have to add a bunch of employees who then join a union. But wait and correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t most state employees already part of a part of a public employee’s union that has exclusive rights to negotiate on their behalf? Since this influx of players are now employees won’t that make them eligible for employee benefits like health ins, pension, etc…. Oh let’s not forget that since they are now public employees all student athletes regardless of sport will also need to be made employees. I mean how many Democrats are going to vote to allow male football players to become employees and entitled to all the benefits if the members of the girl’s volleyball team don’t get equal treatment. But, there’s even more. If athletes can be employees why not the band? I mean the perform on the same field.Cheerleaders? Dance team:
Said once and I’ll say it again. Dumbest idea I’ve ever heard.
My best guess it’s a prelude to some sort of salary cap. To do so creates a monopoly that controls wages. But, what about the NFL? They do it so why not colleges?
It works in the NFL because the players who ARE EMPLOYEES are represented by a players union who has hammered out a collective bargaining agreement with the owners that the players have voted to accept.
College athletes are not employees of any university. So they don’t have a union to bargain for a working agreement with non-existent employers.
So to facilitate this the NCAA member schools will have to add a bunch of employees who then join a union. But wait and correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t most state employees already part of a part of a public employee’s union that has exclusive rights to negotiate on their behalf? Since this influx of players are now employees won’t that make them eligible for employee benefits like health ins, pension, etc…. Oh let’s not forget that since they are now public employees all student athletes regardless of sport will also need to be made employees. I mean how many Democrats are going to vote to allow male football players to become employees and entitled to all the benefits if the members of the girl’s volleyball team don’t get equal treatment. But, there’s even more. If athletes can be employees why not the band? I mean the perform on the same field.Cheerleaders? Dance team:
Said once and I’ll say it again. Dumbest idea I’ve ever heard.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:25 am to DSPurpleandGold
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What does this solve?
My best guess it’s a prelude to some sort of salary cap. To do so creates a monopoly that controls wages. But, what about the NFL? They do it so why not colleges?
It works in the NFL because the players who ARE EMPLOYEES are represented by a players union who has hammered out a collective bargaining agreement with the owners that the players have voted to accept.
College athletes are not employees of any university. So they don’t have a union to bargain for a working agreement with non-existent employers.
So to facilitate this the NCAA member schools will have to add a bunch of employees who then join a union. But wait and correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t most state employees already part of a part of a public employee’s union that has exclusive rights to negotiate on their behalf? Since this influx of players are now employees won’t that make them eligible for employee benefits like health ins, pension, etc…. Oh let’s not forget that since they are now public employees all student athletes regardless of sport will also need to be made employees. I mean how many Democrats are going to vote to allow male football players to become employees and entitled to all the benefits if the members of the girl’s volleyball team don’t get equal treatment. But, there’s even more. If athletes can be employees why not the band? I mean the perform on the same field.Cheerleaders? Dance team:
Said once and I’ll say it again. Dumbest idea I’ve ever heard.
And this is what happens when a bunch of academic people, who have never worked in the real world, create rules. Utter chaos.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:26 am to DeathByTossDive225
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This is bigger than anything being talked about in sports, flying under the radar… would be the nail in CFB coffin & almost certainly buries LSU in short order.
This is bullshite. Being able to use TAF and SEC TV funds along with traditional NIL only helps LSU.
I don’t think it’s good for the sport, but it doesn’t hurt us.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 11:28 am
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:34 am to LouisianaLonghorn
LSU is in the top ten
Have you looked at athletic department budgets?
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We won't be able to compete with schools like Texas, A&M, Bama, Ohio State, and Georgia.
Have you looked at athletic department budgets?
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 11:38 am
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