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re: Check in if you knew abortion would wreck the GOP.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:17 am to White Bear
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:17 am to White Bear
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How many staunch pro lifers are ok with Israel currently stacking haji like cordwood?
Can you think of any differences between an unborn baby and Hamas?
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Republicans are Fkn dumb.
The sad thing is you think you are so smart because you can repeat what the men in makeup on TV tell you
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Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:19 am to White Bear
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The irony is thick with abortion. How many staunch pro lifers are ok with Israel currently stacking haji like cordwood? Or the US doing the same so long as they’re bad guys being stacked? How many staunch pro lifers used IVF to have a baby and had extra and/or defective embryos discarded in the process? I don’t get it. People are lazy and irresponsible and you will not change that with one to one thousand laws. Republicans are Fkn dumb.
The guy resorting to false dilemmas and more straw men calling some giant group of people (“all Republicans”) fkn dumb.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:25 am to McLemore
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not an abortion issue. a straw man and red herring.
Yes, it is an issue when a candidate is asked if he supports a ban on abortion even in the case of saving the mother's life and he says yes.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:25 am to j1897
Years ago (30+) a race for Governor of Virginia was between a black Democrat and an anti-abortion Republican.
I knew there'd be a problem when very conservative family members talked about holding their noses as they voted D. Strictly for the abortion question.
I knew there'd be a problem when very conservative family members talked about holding their noses as they voted D. Strictly for the abortion question.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:26 am to NC_Tigah
Ok so if it is less messy it’s less wrong? I’m not really sure what point you think you are making.
You either believe the unborn are people or they are not. You can dress it up with language that makes you feel better about it, but at the end of the day that’s the moral question.
Same argument was happening in the 1800s with slavery. Dems said they weren’t really people or they were less of people than everyone else. Abortion apologists are making the same “they’re not really people” argument today. It’s disgusting but it’s not surprising considering how dumb our society is these days.
When moral relativism is the dominant framework, you can justify anything. Moral relativism combined with our hyper individualistic, “whatever makes you happy” “free yourself of responsibility” and lastly victimhood culture, it’s really easy to see why so many blindly support killing the unborn out of convenience and selfishness.
You either believe the unborn are people or they are not. You can dress it up with language that makes you feel better about it, but at the end of the day that’s the moral question.
Same argument was happening in the 1800s with slavery. Dems said they weren’t really people or they were less of people than everyone else. Abortion apologists are making the same “they’re not really people” argument today. It’s disgusting but it’s not surprising considering how dumb our society is these days.
When moral relativism is the dominant framework, you can justify anything. Moral relativism combined with our hyper individualistic, “whatever makes you happy” “free yourself of responsibility” and lastly victimhood culture, it’s really easy to see why so many blindly support killing the unborn out of convenience and selfishness.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:26 am to Ribbed
quote:Not really. Do you think Mifepristone/Misoprostol should be illegal?
You forgot
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:29 am to j1897
Whether you agree with it or not, Republicans need to get out of the business of using the government to force their personal morality on everyone else.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:30 am to j1897
If you were to look at it from a strictly white supremacist view, if black women account for 90% of all abortions then they'll remain at 13% or less. Looking at it from a GOP view. If crazy arse Dems account for the majority of white abortions, then their beliefs are not passed on to any off spring.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:30 am to DisplacedBuckeye
It’s a double-edged sword, and you’re right
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:31 am to j1897
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Y’all boomers didn’t believe me. Gotta give up abortion and Christian talking points asap or the party is literally done. No educated person under 40 cares.
So you're saying we should just sell out our own beliefs?
If we do that then isn't the Party basically done for us?
This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 10:47 am
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:32 am to RebelExpress38
quote:Sure you are. The premise was "If the Republican leadership had the balls to show America what abortion truly is, in graphic detail," it would make a difference. I suspect the posit was not fully considered. A little knowledge helps intelligent dialog.
I’m not really sure what point you think you are making.
E.g., Would you oppose abortion at 10 days?
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:32 am to j1897
I can't say I saw this coming, but looking at what's happening, I think you can craft the narrative as follows:
Prior to the repeal of RvW, people could ignore the anti-abortion prattle from the anti-abortion Republicans because they really couldn't do anything. Voters could ignore it and vote for that candidate based on other policy issues.
Now, these frickers can and have done something about it in a number of the states and voters can't ignore their abortion stances any longer. It matters and people are not going for the unreasonable full bans (Americans largely support limited abortion rights) and your seeing the affect.
Luckily for Republicans their likely presidential candidate isn't an anti-abortion fanatic, which is unusual for his party. I think it's part of his appeal in the swing states, or maybe not why he gets traction, but it's just not an issue for him.
Prior to the repeal of RvW, people could ignore the anti-abortion prattle from the anti-abortion Republicans because they really couldn't do anything. Voters could ignore it and vote for that candidate based on other policy issues.
Now, these frickers can and have done something about it in a number of the states and voters can't ignore their abortion stances any longer. It matters and people are not going for the unreasonable full bans (Americans largely support limited abortion rights) and your seeing the affect.
Luckily for Republicans their likely presidential candidate isn't an anti-abortion fanatic, which is unusual for his party. I think it's part of his appeal in the swing states, or maybe not why he gets traction, but it's just not an issue for him.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:33 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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using the government to force their personal morality on everyone else
It is basic humanist philosophy that all human life has value. That it happens to align with biblical views doesn't mean every idiot secularist has to oppose themselves to reject it.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:36 am to j1897
Whelp there it is - the dumbest statement on this board so far this week.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:37 am to RebelExpress38
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Can you think of any differences between an unborn baby and Hamas?
They're killing plenty of innocent civilians
I'd imagine the amount of innocent people they're killing FAR outweighs the actual Hamas people tehy're killing
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:37 am to NC_Tigah
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Would you oppose abortion at 10 days?
Would you oppose just a little bit of slavery? You’ll never see it. It won’t be in your face.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:37 am to j1897
I thought it was off the ballot. Obviously not.
I’m hearing multiple states have petitions underway that will place it on the 2024 ballot.
It’s only going to get worse for 2024. And Dems will smartly get it front and center of every swing state.
I’m hearing multiple states have petitions underway that will place it on the 2024 ballot.
It’s only going to get worse for 2024. And Dems will smartly get it front and center of every swing state.
This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 10:38 am
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:37 am to j1897
It's not abortion. The party's position hasn't changed.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:38 am to rmnldr
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Organizing pro-life coalitions IRL? Reaching out in my community to educate Gen Z on conservative positions and changing minds when I do. Working with Scott Presler’s Early Vote Action. Donating to organizations like the National Pro Life Alliance. Donating to republicans across the board when I can. Campaigning for republicans in local elections.
Thank you for trying to make a difference! Those on this board with no soul left criticize those that are working to save the unborn from death. Sad.....
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:38 am to j1897
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No educated person under 40 cares.
so the problem is this group, - not the GOP?
confused by your talking point
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