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re: Does the Holy Land belong to The Church?

Posted on 11/4/23 at 9:19 am to
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/4/23 at 9:19 am to
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The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.



What an idiotic statement, but I’d expect nothing less


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Gentiles and the Church have become the "New Israel",



Another idiotic statement. God has a plan for the church and another plan for Israel. The Jews have been temporarily blinded from acknowledging Jesus as their messiah as a nation. This blindness is temporary to facilitate the time of the Gentiles. When this time is done, the blinders will be removed an Israel Will acknowledge Jesus is messiah.



Romans 11:
I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?
3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.”
4 But what is God’s reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
7 ¶ What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
8 as it is written,
God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”

9 ¶ And David says,
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
and bend their backs forever.”

11 ¶ So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous
This post was edited on 11/4/23 at 9:33 am
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59086 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 9:20 am to
And here you are.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
33241 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 9:21 am to
As official Church policy, it's not idiotic at all.
Y'all need to grow up.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
14866 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 12:20 am to
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Revelator


Man, I’m really really disappointed you’re simping for the money changers of the world. They’ve financed so many wars, made so many trillions from usury… they’re no better than the sand terrorists.
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
11753 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 2:51 am to
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The Jews have been temporarily blinded from acknowledging Jesus as their messiah as a nation.


So God forced the last 2,000 years of Jews to reject Jesus and spend eternity in Hell for what? To improve the narrative?
This post was edited on 11/5/23 at 2:52 am
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1860 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:57 am to
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The Jews have been temporarily blinded from acknowledging Jesus as their messiah as a nation.


2600+ years is long for “temporarily”. Ever thought… who is responsible for blinding the Jews? Look no further than the LORD himself, using his earthly kings, his anointed, his messiahs.

The Christians are a continuation of the first temple cult period of Solomon, where they worshipped Asherah (mother god, Ruach Elohim, the Holy Spirit). They worshipped Nehushtan the snake god of healing, and El Elyon, and Ba’al (or Ba’al Hadad), which was just another title for Yahweh. Saul’s son was named Ishbaal. The priest of Yahweh in Moab (with the talking donkey) was Baalim. Gideon was also called Jurubbaal.

They re-wrote the scriptures to change things. It started out as Hezekiah and Josiah trying to implement a form of monotheism or monolatry. Then when the Persians took over and rebuilt the temple, the changes continued. They could no longer have Jewish divine kings, aka messiahs. The reason for that was because Cyrus of Persia was now the LORD’s messiah (Isaiah 45:1). You really think Yahweh would have chosen a Persian king to be his anointed?

The priestly scribes started to re-write history. They try to excuse Gideon having the theophoric name “Jerubbaal” not because Baal is his master, but because he knocked down a Baal statue. Please. They rename Ishbaal to Ishboseth… changing man of Baal, to man of shame.

Hosea 2:16
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“And in that day, declares the LORD, you will call me ‘My Husband,’ and no longer will you call me ‘My Baal.’


Jeremiah could see all these changes to scripture taking place.

Jeremiah 8:8
quote:

“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law (Torah) of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.


So, the LORD Yahweh chose Hezekiah and Josiah as messiahs, then let the Babylonians destroy Judah so that Babylonian and Zoroastrian religious ideas could mix in with Judaism, then the LORD chose Cyrus as his messiah. No more messiahs, it was the priestly class that was now in charge as vassals under foreign occupation.

Jesus in the gospels was the sacrificial goat of the day of atonement, which was on the Levitical calendar but not on the later Deuteronomist calendar of the second temple period. Moses tried to atone for the sins of his brethren (when they worshipped Yahweh using the golden calf idol) and Yahweh told Moses that no one could atone for the sins of others anymore.

The messianic savior king of the first temple was no longer compatible with second temple theology. That’s why the priestly class in Jerusalem rejected the Jesus movement. Thank your LORD Yahweh for all that. And if you believe Paul that Jesus IS Yahweh, then you can thank Jesus for causing the Jews to reject himself.

ETA: I forgot to follow up on Nehushtan, the snake god of healing, also called the Brazen Serpent. Hezekiah destroyed the Brazen Serpent in the temple, because Jews were worshipping it (and had been for hundreds of years). Then a scribe added a story to Numbers 21 about Moses creating the brazen serpent to heal people who were bitten by fiery serpents sent by… the LORD. There’s another one of those lies Jeremiah wrote about. Nehushtan was a snake god of healing that the Israelites worshipped along with their Canaanite and middle eastern neighbors… the excuse that Moses made the brazen serpent and that it did not represent the snake god was a fabrication.
This post was edited on 11/5/23 at 7:31 am
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39693 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 2:04 pm to
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The Jews have been temporarily blinded from acknowledging Jesus as their messiah as a nation. This blindness is temporary to facilitate the time of the Gentiles. When this time is done, the blinders will be removed an Israel Will acknowledge Jesus is messiah.

I’d say the Muzzies have a better chance of converting them to Islam by threatening to kill them.
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