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re: Update: 'The Marvels' discussion thread. It Ends as Lowest-Grossing MCU film
Posted on 10/14/23 at 10:23 am to Scoob
Posted on 10/14/23 at 10:23 am to Scoob
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Similarly, I like Top Gun Maverick, but I don't want 20 movies detailing our war with a make-believe country, the political fallout from that war, new alliances with and against that non-existent country, etc.
That was just the backdrop of Top Gun: Maverick.
It was a story about a known hero struggling with age, continued grief over the death of his best friend, his estranged relationship with that friend's son, the sudden loss of another friend and loneliness in the face of trying to overcome his own ego to teach younger, similarly cocky pilots. It has great stunts, but it's a character story.
Downey Jr was a charismatic actor playing a strong character. Chris Evans was a charismatic actor playing a strong character. Same with Chris Pratt with GOTG and Charlie Cox in Daredevil. The Avengers/Thanos saga brought in a lot of cash, but it became primarily about special effects and the actors brought in for the newer franchises were a major step down. The stories became less about character and more about confusing, apocalyptic, special effects laden messes.
There's definitely fatigue, but story will always outlast effects alone. The stories aren't there.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:36 pm to AUCom96
quote:Yeah, and it was great. I loved it, and I actually like the tie-in to Top Gun.quote:
Similarly, I like Top Gun Maverick, but I don't want 20 movies detailing our war with a make-believe country, the political fallout from that war, new alliances with and against that non-existent country, etc.
That was just the backdrop of Top Gun: Maverick.
It was a story about a known hero struggling with age, continued grief over the death of his best friend, his estranged relationship with that friend's son, the sudden loss of another friend and loneliness in the face of trying to overcome his own ego to teach younger, similarly cocky pilots. It has great stunts, but it's a character story.
I still don't want 15-20 movies between the two, and more following this going forward (maybe one, but not a dozen following Maverick's ultimate rise to the Pentagon, for example).
Iron Man was a fantastic mix of Downey's charisma mixing with Stark's genius and innovation, but by the time we pushed through to Avengers Infinity War and Endgame, that tale was done. As was Captain America's. They achieved their goal of saving the world.
At that point, the world is forever changed and "not us" anymore, and you lose the initial magic of a superhero coming out of nowhere to save us. And also, further crises either diminish the accomplishment that Tony sacrificed himself for, or seem trivial in comparison. Either way- the MCU is finished, just write "The End" and let it be. It was a great run, and you only hurt the overall product going forward by making more IN THAT UNIVERSE.
Now that doesn't apply to Star Wars, there WERE fertile fields still present. We see that with Mandalorian and Ahsoka. The problem there is that Disney, in their infinite wisdom , capped it. They made a trilogy set 20 some-odd years ahead, that removes all the drama and intrigue from this generation of stories. You KNOW the New Republic fails, the only unanswered questions are what happened to the current heroes that keep them out of the trilogy. It sucks that the trilogy was bad and very unsatisfying, but even if it were good you'd still be losing a lot of the drama. It's like skipping ahead to the end of the book, we know the ending.
It was an incredibly stupid BUSINESS move which would always limit the profits of further tales, and in this case it's the worst-case scenario: we hate the ending, so why bother with the rest? Just so unnecessary
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