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re: How is Christianity different from other religions?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 9:40 am to Flats
Posted on 9/27/23 at 9:40 am to Flats
There's support for predestination.
There's support for free will.
IMO, I have no doubt free will exists. Nothing makes sense without free will.
As to predestination, God certainly understands all that exists and all that will occur as from his perspective out of time and within eternity, the universe is complete from start to finish. He sees everything and knows everything. The book is complete. But is that really predestination? To me, predestination implies God choses our actions but I believe it is more we chose our actions (free will) but God already knows our choice. That is really not predestination in my opinion despite appearances.
There's support for free will.
IMO, I have no doubt free will exists. Nothing makes sense without free will.
As to predestination, God certainly understands all that exists and all that will occur as from his perspective out of time and within eternity, the universe is complete from start to finish. He sees everything and knows everything. The book is complete. But is that really predestination? To me, predestination implies God choses our actions but I believe it is more we chose our actions (free will) but God already knows our choice. That is really not predestination in my opinion despite appearances.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 9:46 am
Posted on 9/27/23 at 9:46 am to Tigers2010a
I always ask this question when discussing free will:
Define it
On their first attempt, it’s usually some generic definition about being able to do what we want
Then I say “then fly”
At that point I say our freedom in the physical world is bound by our nature, would it not be the same on the spiritual realm? They then refine their definition to “freedom of choice”
To which I ask “why does freedom of choice matter if you don’t know why you really chose in the first place?”
They’ll say “because without choice you can’t love”
So I’ll ask, “so then choice is greater than love or is choice love, in and of itself? Are ALL choices better than or equal to love or just some? If some, define a love choice”?
Depending on these answers I have more I ask to drive them to the realization that most people don’t even know or understand the nature of “choice” or “free will” in the first place.
Define it
On their first attempt, it’s usually some generic definition about being able to do what we want
Then I say “then fly”
At that point I say our freedom in the physical world is bound by our nature, would it not be the same on the spiritual realm? They then refine their definition to “freedom of choice”
To which I ask “why does freedom of choice matter if you don’t know why you really chose in the first place?”
They’ll say “because without choice you can’t love”
So I’ll ask, “so then choice is greater than love or is choice love, in and of itself? Are ALL choices better than or equal to love or just some? If some, define a love choice”?
Depending on these answers I have more I ask to drive them to the realization that most people don’t even know or understand the nature of “choice” or “free will” in the first place.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 9:51 am to Tigers2010a
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IMO, I have no doubt free will exists. Nothing makes sense without free will.
I tend to agree, although partially because it's the only option we can do anything with.
Interestingly enough it's the materialistic atheist that has the most trouble with free will. It can't really exist in their worldview.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:22 pm to Tigers2010a
Just because knows of and predicts said 'free will' choices does not undermine the validity of those choice. It's our baby (heaven or hell), we rock it.
When it comes to defining 'hell', we could assume that separation from God is a form of eternal death. Albeit that is measured in linear time. Any thing that exist, does so for the (relative time) duration.
If true Evil exists as the manifestation of the opposite of Love, then there indeed is a hell far more painful than mere death. The likelihood that Evil does exist as a Spirit, only in opposition to the Jesus Model, makes philosophical sense as the traditional Lucifer/Fall narrative depicts.
When that Spirit Beast crawled up out of that pit and called James Woodford by name, as James had not invoked the protection of Jesus Christ...that was the real thing. And it should and will put fear in the heart of any person who knows Love and grows to the level of Spiritual Awareness therein. Awareness in this current Reality is not immune to or even focused on one singular Side, as awareness in general encompasses BOTH sides. The more Spiritual a person becomes, the more aware and vulnerable to Evil the person becomes. "Throw one unclean spirit out and 7 takes it's place'.
Get Jesus if one wants protection for spiritual trouble. Or ride herd as far one's flawed intellect and will allows.
When it comes to defining 'hell', we could assume that separation from God is a form of eternal death. Albeit that is measured in linear time. Any thing that exist, does so for the (relative time) duration.
If true Evil exists as the manifestation of the opposite of Love, then there indeed is a hell far more painful than mere death. The likelihood that Evil does exist as a Spirit, only in opposition to the Jesus Model, makes philosophical sense as the traditional Lucifer/Fall narrative depicts.
When that Spirit Beast crawled up out of that pit and called James Woodford by name, as James had not invoked the protection of Jesus Christ...that was the real thing. And it should and will put fear in the heart of any person who knows Love and grows to the level of Spiritual Awareness therein. Awareness in this current Reality is not immune to or even focused on one singular Side, as awareness in general encompasses BOTH sides. The more Spiritual a person becomes, the more aware and vulnerable to Evil the person becomes. "Throw one unclean spirit out and 7 takes it's place'.
Get Jesus if one wants protection for spiritual trouble. Or ride herd as far one's flawed intellect and will allows.
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