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Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:30 am to Mo Jeaux
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Christianity was spread by the sword too.
Yes but that was done by man's decision.
That method is not part of the instruction book, unlike Islam where it is a direct command.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:34 am to TrueTiger
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Yes but that was done by man's decision.
That method is not part of the instruction book, unlike Islam where it is a direct command.
So what?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:35 am to thejuiceisloose
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There is a vast difference between being born in Rome to a Christian family in 300 A.D. and likely being persecuted for your beliefs and being born into a Christian family in Itta Bean, Mississippi present day. In one case it’s burdensome to practice Christianity, the other it’s strongly encouraged.
I wouldn’t argue against that but it wasn’t the point I was trying to make. I was making the point that millions, possibly over a billion people of the entire Christian population didn’t grow up in a Christian home and were later converts. To make the claim, as the earlier post referenced, that people are only Christians if they were raised in western Christian homes is very misleading.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:39 am to Mo Jeaux
So the comparison is religion to religion.
All the various ways that humans corrupt them is a different topic.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:40 am to Thundercles
On the scale of things that sound absurd to an impartial observer, Christianity is no more or less outlandish than Hinduism, Mormonism, Scientology, or anything else.
I disagree. Christianity is the only one whose deity walked the earth. There was a historical figure named Jesus Christ who was in modern day Isreal, who performed miracles, who said he was the great I Am.
None of the other have that.
That “harsh stuff” is in the Old Testament under the old law, with Jesus’ fulfillment of the prophecies the law of the Old Testament was fulfilled and no longer applicable. The Ten Commandments are all that remain of the old law.
The new law is “love your God above all else and love your neighbor as yourself”.
I disagree. Christianity is the only one whose deity walked the earth. There was a historical figure named Jesus Christ who was in modern day Isreal, who performed miracles, who said he was the great I Am.
None of the other have that.
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but if you take the Bible as a literal reading there is some harsh stuff that is glossed over to adapt to present day world
That “harsh stuff” is in the Old Testament under the old law, with Jesus’ fulfillment of the prophecies the law of the Old Testament was fulfilled and no longer applicable. The Ten Commandments are all that remain of the old law.
The new law is “love your God above all else and love your neighbor as yourself”.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:42 am to Thundercles
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but most places of worship all over the world teach their people to live good lives and be kind to others.
Which no Christian claims is a distinguishing tenet of Christianity. So I'm not sure I understand the point.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:42 am to Globetrotter747
You can call it nonsense if you want but I think it’s nonsense that a non-eternal existence created itself out of nothing from no force acting upon it.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:43 am to Shamoan
Jesus Christ.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:43 am to TexasTiger13
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I am a Christian and have been in a long term relationship with a Jewish woman. I am torn with what it take with going to heaven.
According to the “Good Book”, when Jesus returns imminently, your Jewish girlfriend will be reaped by the sickle of Jesus and her body compressed in his wine press. Her blood will gush out. Then she will be cast into the lake of fire. That is the “inspired word of God”.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:44 am to JiminyCricket
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You can call it nonsense if you want but I think it’s nonsense that a non-eternal existence created itself out of nothing from no force acting upon it.
Yep. No one purporting to use reason can get around that. The "chance" that brought about the big bang or the "thing" from whence it came, merely becomes "God."
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:49 am to Mo Jeaux
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Roman Church was spread by the sword too.
FIFY
The Roman church has a history of violently enforcing its traditions against other Christians on par with its enforcement of traditions against non-christians. Of course that is not to say that other "Christian" movements did not attempt violence, just that none covered the breadth of what the Roman Church accomplished.
I think in these times it is particularly important to separate the Roman Church from the average Catholic, and for that matter Christian. It's akin to being an American under poor leadership that is not representative of its constituents. Were there not Germans protecting Jews during the reign of Hitler? Were those people Nazi's? And if not, were they not German?
There is great spiritual value for many in the Catholic church. It all comes down to relationship with Christ.
No moral belief system can ever be spread by the sword. Elitism is spread by the sword. Power and control are spread by the sword. Any Christian movement that involves violence is not representative of Christ. Truly the only sword that can be used to expand the Christian Church is the Word of God (Eph 6:17). That is to be our only offensive weapon. To not trust or believe in that is a lack of faith in the omnipotence of our creator.
It is the devil's work to lump large groups into a single category over the ambitions of megalomaniacs.
To address the OP's question, however, to the best of my knowledge, Christianity is different in that it requests that you turn your will over to the Creator. It isn't a demand. And while our commandment is beautifully simple: "that you love one another as I have loved you.", it is devilishly complicated.
To experience Christianity you must submit to it, otherwise you will never gain the necessary understanding.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:50 am to TrueTiger
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All the various ways that humans corrupt them is a different topic.
Well, I would argue that such ways are intrinsically tied to any comparative assessment of different religions.
Religions are man-made institutions after all.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:52 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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I disagree. Christianity is the only one whose deity walked the earth. There was a historical figure named Jesus Christ who was in modern day Isreal, who performed miracles, who said he was the great I Am.
None of the other have that.
Buddha was a historical figure. Again, Hinduism has the concept of divinities being incarnate.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:53 am to PapaZulu
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FIFY
The Roman church has a history of violently enforcing its traditions against other Christians on par with its enforcement of traditions against non-christians.
Oh boy.
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Of course that is not to say that other "Christian" movements did not attempt violence,
Oh, OK. Thanks for the crumb. Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:54 am to Mo Jeaux
I restricted the question to the accepted texts, not implementation.
But sure humans are involved at all stages.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:55 am to Shamoan
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I hope everyone interested in debating the topic will do so after watching this video completely. Longer video: Daily dose of wisdom
It was a sad, pathetic video. The guy’s best attempt at evidence of truthfulness of the Bible is that it says it’s the truth, and the Bible is true so we know it’s true. Circular, deluded false logic. The guy talks about what John wrote. There’s no evidence that a guy named John even wrote what we know as the “gospel according to John”. It’s an anonymous gospel.
Christianity may be different than other religions, but they are all different from each other. Each one is no more truthful than the other - they are all false. If there was real actual evidence of truthfulness of the Bible, then there’d be no Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, or atheists. All we have left is a mountain of overwhelming evidence that most of the claims of the Bible are untrue.
It’s amazing that Christians are still waiting on Jesus’ alleged promise that he will return during the lifetime of his apostles. He’s 2000 years late. You think that is the word of god? Come on, man.
Matthew 16:28
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Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:57 am to 10thyrsr
quote:Read some near death experiences. You will find both heaven and hell described today.
I was Jewish for a bit. Don't recall heaven or hell being mentioned in any of the Torah scrolls.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:58 am to Frostynips1
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Nope sure didn’t did you forget the Old Testament?
It's okay that you don't understand the Bible. Keep asking questions and maybe you'll learn.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:58 am to Mo Jeaux
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Well, I would argue that such ways are intrinsically tied to any comparative assessment of different religions.
Religions are man-made institutions after all.
You are confusing religion with relationship. Belief and faith amongst Christians is very personal and unique, from person to person, when attempted in earnest.
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