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Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:07 pm to jlovel7
Yes
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:07 pm to jlovel7
Yes
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:08 pm to jlovel7
Right to remain silent; if they don't exercise that right, they can ask whatever they want.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:16 pm to lnomm34
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I’ve recently gone down a police interrogation YouTube rabbit hole. They show real interrogations of criminals being questioned for murders, etc. They’re fascinating to watch and it’s amazing what the criminals will answer without even once thinking about requesting an attorney. The interrogation tactics are also really interesting and most of the interrogators are really frickin good at making the criminal feel relaxed and speak pretty freely until they’re admitting the crime.
I too went down that rabbit hole. It’s amazing how many people just start chit chatting away with the interrogators.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:16 pm to jlovel7
cops will rarely read you your rights until they bring you to the station.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:29 pm to jlovel7
Yes but first the Miranda rights must be read and the defendant has to waive the right to remain silent.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:36 pm to jlovel7
Better call Saul
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:37 pm to lnomm34
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I’ve recently gone down a police interrogation YouTube rabbit hole. They show real interrogations of criminals being questioned for murders, etc. They’re fascinating to watch and it’s amazing what the criminals will answer without even once thinking about requesting an attorney.
Red Tree Crime is my favorite. I’m amazed by this too, and I think some of it comes down to 2 things:
1. They don’t grasp the situation they are already in, and think that if they say the right things they have a chance of going home, instead of lawyering up and being held longer.
2. They can’t afford a real attorney, and a PD will just be another person in the room that they don’t know if they can trust.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:42 pm to jlovel7
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Is there any scenario where cops legally can question someone without a lawyer?
Any of them if the person talks. Don’t talk to cops.
Only an open mouthed fish gets caught.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:43 pm to jlovel7
Talking to friends that practice criminal law I get the impression the only people that don't talk to the cops are hardened criminals that only know 2 words: law and yer.
There also seems to be an amazing subset of those who think admitting to a lesser crime makes them more believable. Well yes officer I stole $5,000 from the company but I didn't kill the CFO. Good job F. Lee Bailey.
There also seems to be an amazing subset of those who think admitting to a lesser crime makes them more believable. Well yes officer I stole $5,000 from the company but I didn't kill the CFO. Good job F. Lee Bailey.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:58 pm to jacquespene8
Knowing everyone in this thread would sing like a canary from the very first question asked by a LEO. 
Posted on 9/14/23 at 9:08 pm to baseballmind1212
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start asking follow up questions in a traffic stop
Nah - save that for court. Why tip your hand and give the cop a chance to falsify some records or prepare to lie convincingly in court?
Posted on 9/14/23 at 9:22 pm to Tiger Prawn
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The types of people committing crimes are usually idiots
I'm sure you realize how big Federal and State Criminal code is, right?
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The average professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she has likely committed several federal crimes that day. Why? The answer lies in the very nature of modern federal criminal laws, which have exploded in number but also become impossibly broad and vague
From the book, Three Felonies a Day.
"Am I being detained, or am I free to go?" Words to live by.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:03 pm to jlovel7
No one should speak to law enforcement, ever. If they have enough to arrest you, they will, no matter what you say. If they don’t, they won’t, no matter how little you say.
Beyond that, the deck is stacked against you. LEO can say the absolutely dumbest shite, lie, etc, etc, and it doesn’t matter. But if what you say, and don’t say, aren’t fricking perfect, it will be twisted against you. You can’t win. Best case scenario is a draw, and that’s staggeringly rare, in my experience.
But in spite of this post, every other post on this thread, and everything else people have heard during their lives, the overwhelming majority of people on this thread would believe they are special and that they are doing themselves a favor by making a statement.
You aren’t. fricking don’t. Not only will you frick yourself, but any attorney worth a shite is going to charge a several thousand dollar idiot fee if they have to navigate around your moronic “statement”.
Beyond that, the deck is stacked against you. LEO can say the absolutely dumbest shite, lie, etc, etc, and it doesn’t matter. But if what you say, and don’t say, aren’t fricking perfect, it will be twisted against you. You can’t win. Best case scenario is a draw, and that’s staggeringly rare, in my experience.
But in spite of this post, every other post on this thread, and everything else people have heard during their lives, the overwhelming majority of people on this thread would believe they are special and that they are doing themselves a favor by making a statement.
You aren’t. fricking don’t. Not only will you frick yourself, but any attorney worth a shite is going to charge a several thousand dollar idiot fee if they have to navigate around your moronic “statement”.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:47 pm to redstickrick
I need a lawyer, baw
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:56 pm to Joshjrn
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No one should speak to law enforcement, ever. If they have enough to arrest you, they will, no matter what you say. If they don’t, they won’t, no matter how little you say
Nothing you say is exculpatory. Shut. Your. Mouth.
Is that your washing machine in the middle of the street? Shrug. Where did it come from? Shrug.
Have you been drinking? Shrug. (Yes, that happened.)
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:07 pm to SloaneRanger
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You always have the right to remain silent.
Yeah but stupidly enough you better invoke it verbally, because cops have used silence as evidence of guilt and courts have supported it.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:34 pm to LegendInMyMind
It's weird that they're called Miranda rights. Why not use a cooler name, like Denise or Trisha?
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