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re: Is Joan from Mad Men awful overall?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:09 am to hogcard1964
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:09 am to hogcard1964
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Yea, I really ended up hating Peggy.
Although I think Moss is a decent enough actress, the show failed with her character, hitting us over the head with the glass ceiling/misogynistic environment. Certainly it is fair to describe that era as such, but with so much nuance in Don, Roger, even Pete and Joan (who were more 2-dimensional) had some nuance.
The attempts to do that with Peggy just always seemed to fall flat.
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:46 am to Ace Midnight
Btw, for anyone interested in purchasing the box set on Blu-ray, they never fixed the packaging or the indexing issues from the original release. Skip it.
Buy it one season at a time if you choose to go with the tangible route as opposed to streaming.
Buy it one season at a time if you choose to go with the tangible route as opposed to streaming.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:21 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:27 pm to Michael T. Tiger
except Sally.
-/Except when Sally kissed that twerp on moon walk night. Left that poor kid hangin.
Bobby, however, was a saint.
-/Except when Sally kissed that twerp on moon walk night. Left that poor kid hangin.
Bobby, however, was a saint.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:25 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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Everyone on Mad Men is awful overall…except Sally.
Are there really people who don't like Roger?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:33 pm to Thundercles
quote:I always got the sense that she had "paid her dues" prior to the shows timeline and was a little bitter for it.
Am I forgetting some large redeeming moments
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:42 pm to Pettifogger
Roger was great. Until he also kind of turned on Don.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:43 pm to Thundercles
Christina Hendricks looks great nekkid( or barely clothed). I forget
the movie.
the movie.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:45 pm to Pettifogger
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Are there really people who don't like Roger?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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That's Peggy.
She only thinks of Peggy and what's in Peggy's best interest. From aborting Pete's baby to ditching Don who made her. Remember, everything to Peggy is an opportunity.
It's the 60s. Nobody was going to give her opportunities if she didn't take them.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 6:09 pm to wildtigercat93
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You can watch mad men and come away feeling this way about any character in the series imo.
Aside from possibly conspiring in the murder of Pete's mother, Bob Benson was a saint.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 6:25 pm to LaLadyinTx
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It's the 60s. Nobody was going to give her opportunities if she didn't take them.
Its not about taking opportunities... But as Don told her: EVERYTHING to her is an opportunity for HER.
The agency owns the material, ideas...but she acts like its her intellectual property DESPITE getting paid for it.
She's beyond the example/character of the "fast talking career gal" who gets her foot in the door.
The show purposefully begins her journey by having her give up her baby (yes, I forgot) to lay the groundwork that she doesn't want her Mother's life and as she says, "why can't I have what men have?"
But the show goes further. She's not simply a symbol of women's lib. She's sociopathic selfish. Doesn't tell Pete about the baby until its long-gone, buried under adoption secrecy.
Her banner at Sterling Cooper would be: "Is this good for Peggy?"
Instead of:
I think Joan's sympathetic and seems to always be there for the agency. Peggy extorts money from Roger to do her job of which she's already getting paid for and has little remorse in leaving once she is done with Don and has her bonafides...
Don to Peggy as she gives notice: "lets pretend I'm not responsible for every single good thing that's ever happened to you."
She says, "it's what you would do."
She admits, like Don...she's selfish...Don knows he is and struggles with his faults and behavior. Peggy doesn't believe she does anything wrong. Her telling Pete about the baby is iced cold chilling...Pete half doesn't believe it and wonders why she is telling him now.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:47 pm to Pettifogger
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Are there really people who don't like Roger?
Love the guy. In fact I like pretty much all the characters except maybe Hare Krishna Paul.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:59 pm to THRILLHO
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Aside from possibly conspiring in the murder of Pete's mother,
I gotta say pete Campbell is one of the best written, well developed supporting characters in television.
Clear depth growth and progression year over year. He never became a caricature which I find typically happens in series this long to side characters.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:23 pm to Zap Rowsdower
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Don’t you dare insult Kenny Cosgrove is front of me. The man was a saint.
One of my favorite moments was when Kenny was kind of hitting on Jane, she asks him who he is and he says “Ken. Cosgrove. Accounts.”
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:26 pm to Thundercles
She had some unnecessary catty moments early on but she got better.
And she was a knockout.
And she was a knockout.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 3:08 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Underrated Draper moment. Anytime I’m feeling a little underappreciated at work, I kick myself in the arse by reminding myself of this line.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 4:42 pm to Godfather1
One of the best lines in a tv show.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 5:08 pm to Thundercles
She wasn’t awful at all, quite the opposite. In that world she was hopelessly overmatched on the business end but she was a grinder who hung around long enough to develop wisdom within the office politics and elevated herself.
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