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re: Explosions heard in BR
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:37 pm to bgtiger
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:37 pm to bgtiger
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There are a ton of just really ignorant comments itt, but this is a doozy. First of all, most engineers at plants are damn near irrelevant. The process, procedures, and policies are already in place and consultants/project engineers are third partied to do the hard stuff. Secondly, engineers aren’t even there at night. (Although they were coming off of a turnaround and they could have been working a night shift)
Just so we are clear. The engineers don’t write the logic, don’t specify the instrumentation, and don’t specify the vessels. Don’t sit in on the safety analysis. Dont run the hydraulics. Don’t coordinate with the third party engineers to get projects implemented. Oh wait. Yes, they do.
Buddy, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Maintaining a functioning unit is a lot different than DESIGNING it.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 12:46 pm
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:53 pm to LSU4lyfe
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LSU4lyfe
Great post.
In general too many of the yahoos in here think Mike simpletons when it comes to knowing how things work.
Having experience and skills still matters a lot. As an example, things can get real fricked up if a proper MOC isn’t done, as built drawings aren’t done properly, etc. in addition to many other scenarios
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:54 pm to nicholastiger
This is patently and objectively false. Why do people post things so easily proven to be bulshite?
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:56 pm to notiger1997
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things can get real fricked up if a proper MOC isn’t done
I’ve seen stupidity survive the moc process to many times to count
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 7/15/23 at 1:48 pm to Icansee4miles
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He’s not wrong about lesser candidates being hired and promoted by all of these big companies solely on the basis of color, gender, and sexual preferences.
Just as a contractor who attends meetings it is obvious that this goes on. You see people in high positions that have no clue of what’s going on or how things work depending on people under them to make sure the right decisions are made. Sorta like watching congress and seeing people with the IQ of a bar of soap there because they say the right things to the voters in their district.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 2:06 pm to cajuns td
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I’ve seen stupidity survive the moc process to many times to count
MOC’s are only as good as the reviewers, too often they get pencil whipped or reviewed by the wrong people.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:10 pm to LSU4lyfe
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Buddy, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Maintaining a functioning unit is a lot different than DESIGNING it.
This dude also thinks maintaining the process starts when he gets forced into writing a workorder or notification.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 7/15/23 at 5:00 pm to cajuns td
engineers aren’t responsible for the lack of unit knowledge and reliance on procedures. that boils down to the training they get once they are assigned a unit.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 6:31 pm to blight
Any pics of the damage or explanation of what happened?
Posted on 7/15/23 at 6:55 pm to Duckhammer_77
Jay landed another recruit.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:00 pm to Harpo67
And now this is floating around FB
If the Mrs post something like this about me, I’m taking her phone away and giving her a flip phone.
If the Mrs post something like this about me, I’m taking her phone away and giving her a flip phone.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:04 pm to Modern
My cousin was one of two operators that died in Dow plant in BR in 70s, (I think it was Dow) went to control room which was filed with poisonous gas and they were killed almost instantly.
If anyone knows anyone with any air monitoring equipment, check it now
If anyone knows anyone with any air monitoring equipment, check it now
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:11 pm to Modern
Giving lineman a run for their money.
Wait until they find out their man pulled a vibration plug on the compressor 2 weeks ago in order to get some "false" alarm to stop. Hypothetical of course.
Wait until they find out their man pulled a vibration plug on the compressor 2 weeks ago in order to get some "false" alarm to stop. Hypothetical of course.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:30 pm to LSU4lyfe
No, run plant engineers don’t do all that.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:35 pm to bgtiger
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run plant engineers don’t do all that
They are consulted on it. Without a doubt.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:37 pm to fightin tigers
I assume you boys are engineers. Sorry I let everyone know that you are worthless in a plant. I have 25 years in various jobs in operations at that plant and another large chemical plant. The idea that affirmative action hiring caused this explosion is ludicrous. I’ve seen dozens and dozens of engineers come and go, most don’t stick around in a certain plant for more than a few years, and the turnarounds are executed, projects done, and product gets made with or without them. I was just defending the engineer type… they probably didn’t have much to do with the issue.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:41 pm to fightin tigers
I know. The plants hire outside contractors engineers to do all of that shite.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:46 pm to bgtiger
Not an engineer.
Everything you said is why Ops is a fricking joke conpared to even 15 years ago.
The reason engineers don't "stick around" is because the theory is sound. And while it takes you 5 years to know a PSV is sticky they have documentation that says the same, and that info predated you who figured it out because Ops feels their job is to gatekeep to feel relevant.
So yes, engineers move fast. You think they are useless. Fine, they get it. They instead plan around you and factor in your ineptitude into their results. Are they always right? frick no. Do they know more about the process than you? frick yes. And that is embarassing because it is so easy.
For 2 seconds, think. The people who ran circles around you from 1st grade until this very moment might MIGHT know more than you. You may take a breath, humble yourself, and admit that you can learn from them just like they can from you.
And respect that engineers are fricking strange so just because they arent in awe doesn't mean they don't realize your worth.
On another note. I grew up in AP before regulation and culture reform tamed these beasts. The recent process incident uptick really concerns me. But maybe I just notice it more.
Everything you said is why Ops is a fricking joke conpared to even 15 years ago.
The reason engineers don't "stick around" is because the theory is sound. And while it takes you 5 years to know a PSV is sticky they have documentation that says the same, and that info predated you who figured it out because Ops feels their job is to gatekeep to feel relevant.
So yes, engineers move fast. You think they are useless. Fine, they get it. They instead plan around you and factor in your ineptitude into their results. Are they always right? frick no. Do they know more about the process than you? frick yes. And that is embarassing because it is so easy.
For 2 seconds, think. The people who ran circles around you from 1st grade until this very moment might MIGHT know more than you. You may take a breath, humble yourself, and admit that you can learn from them just like they can from you.
And respect that engineers are fricking strange so just because they arent in awe doesn't mean they don't realize your worth.
On another note. I grew up in AP before regulation and culture reform tamed these beasts. The recent process incident uptick really concerns me. But maybe I just notice it more.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:49 pm to fightin tigers
That was a lot of bullshite
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:51 pm to bgtiger
Yeah, didn't figure your attention span would last that long.
You are Ops afterall.
You are Ops afterall.
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