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re: Gay male couples face more challenges, higher costs to start a family
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:56 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:56 pm to AggieHank86
I don't have much problem with the "nanny-state" thing - I think the general welfare of a state/locality/nation includes some measure of action against moral decay.
TBH I don't know when or if we'll ever honestly look at the impacts of surrogacy, especially now that it'll be intertwined with LGBT issues. But I certainly can't say broadly that it won't impact the child. Adopted children struggle all the time with the idea that their birth mother abandoned them (in various forms). It doesn't mean they don't recover and thrive, but it's not generally something I want children to experience.
I don't think our society is going to be particularly inclined to assess/study how children are impacted when their "birth mother" was leased. And when you consider the amount of time and energy that the behavioral/mental health community spends on any number of other efforts to measure impacts on children, it's kind of nuts that something so significant wouldn't be a huge thing to examine. Maybe they are/will, I don't know. But if so, I strongly suspect they'll start with the goal of determining that there are no ill impacts, as you seem to believe.
I think the thing I find most disturbing about your response here is the way you are nonplussed because of the fair "transactional" nature of it. That's some dystopian stuff for me, but I'm not a libertarian.
At this rate, well within my lifetime (hell, we're close to there already), surrogacy will be a full on way for the wealthy to conveniently achieve their goals of accessorizing-via-parenthood via outsourcing without the messiness of pregnancy. It's the procreation version of moral hazard IMO.
TBH I don't know when or if we'll ever honestly look at the impacts of surrogacy, especially now that it'll be intertwined with LGBT issues. But I certainly can't say broadly that it won't impact the child. Adopted children struggle all the time with the idea that their birth mother abandoned them (in various forms). It doesn't mean they don't recover and thrive, but it's not generally something I want children to experience.
I don't think our society is going to be particularly inclined to assess/study how children are impacted when their "birth mother" was leased. And when you consider the amount of time and energy that the behavioral/mental health community spends on any number of other efforts to measure impacts on children, it's kind of nuts that something so significant wouldn't be a huge thing to examine. Maybe they are/will, I don't know. But if so, I strongly suspect they'll start with the goal of determining that there are no ill impacts, as you seem to believe.
I think the thing I find most disturbing about your response here is the way you are nonplussed because of the fair "transactional" nature of it. That's some dystopian stuff for me, but I'm not a libertarian.
At this rate, well within my lifetime (hell, we're close to there already), surrogacy will be a full on way for the wealthy to conveniently achieve their goals of accessorizing-via-parenthood via outsourcing without the messiness of pregnancy. It's the procreation version of moral hazard IMO.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:03 pm to Pettifogger
quote:As I said, I anticipate that opinions will vary on that point. I am VERY libertarian, and I DO see it as simply "transactional."
I think the thing I find most disturbing about your response here is the way you are nonplussed because of the fair "transactional" nature of it. That's some dystopian stuff for me, but I'm not a libertarian.
If a man wants to hire-out his healthy body to do dangerous work in a coal mine in exchange for better pay than he would receive working the counter at McDonalds, good for him. If a woman wants to hire-out HER body (whether for surrogacy or for paid sex work, for instance) in exchange for good American money, good for her too. As long as she was an adult when she agreed to it, I don't want to hear about her "regrets" after the fact, either.
BTW, I see that someone downvoted you while I was typing. I assure that it was not me. I appreciate reasonable posts, even when I might disagree with their substance.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 3:04 pm
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