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re: Ford CEO: We’ll Move to Fixed Prices
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:53 am to stout
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:53 am to stout
Question because I don’t know.
Do cars cost the same in California and New York as they do in Birmingham???
Will prices go up for those in low cost of living areas and down for those in cost of living areas???
Do cars cost the same in California and New York as they do in Birmingham???
Will prices go up for those in low cost of living areas and down for those in cost of living areas???
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:53 am to Penrod
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They are an expensive non-necessity. Technology has made dealers unnecessary, just as it made book stores unnecessary. It’s not the dealers’ fault; it’s just part of the evolution that comes with the march of time.
100%
If Tesla lawsuits are successful you will no longer see locally-owned dealerships eventually. Only used car lots may exist soon.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:55 am to bird35
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Do cars cost the same in California and New York as they do in Birmingham???
The MSRP is the same. They may cost more or less because every state has different fees and BS tacked on plus sales tax varies.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:57 am to stout
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That's not a law. That's their preference.
It is an actual law that car manufacturers can not sell direct to consumers
I see pros and cons. I hate dealerships and their slimy markups, but they are the only thing protecting the consumer right now from dreaded subscription services.
Additionally, automakers would need to dedicate substantial resources to local service centers before it becomes convenient for the consumer to request repairs. Shipping your vehicle across state lines does not sound fun.
I'm not worried abt the repair issue nearly as much as the subscription model.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:59 am to stout
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If Tesla lawsuits are successful you will no longer see locally-owned dealerships eventually. Only used car lots may exist soon.
No chance of success in every state. Virginia, for example, is trying to codify law to prevent direct-to-consumer auto sales.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:59 am to Auburn80
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Negotiations have traditionally been in the dealers favor.
Maybe I’m reading this wrong, or have misinterpreted it, but up until recently, only the most ignorant in society ever paid anything close to MSRP for any car, other than the most exotic brands.
MSRP was always the starting point in negotiations and you negotiated down. Of course, Biden and Buttplugs complete fricking incompetence led to the supply chain issues and now they are very few cars you can get for MSRP. Every “popular“ car (especially trucks) in the market comes with some sort of positive market rate adjustment.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:00 am to stout
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Guess dealers will no longer be able to mark up the Raptor $40K unless they put $5K worth of after-market parts and wheels on it first and name it something stupid then call it a dealer special
That works the other way too. No more discounts to clear the lot etc.
I, for one, hate it.
One more step from "own nothing and be happy"
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 8:02 am
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:01 am to Professor Terguson
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Maybe I’m reading this wrong, or have misinterpreted it, but up until recently, only the most ignorant in society ever paid anything close to MSRP for any car, other than the most exotic brands.
MSRP was always the starting point in negotiations and you negotiated down. Of course, Biden and Buttplugs complete fricking incompetence led to the supply chain issues and now they are very few cars you can get for MSRP. Every “popular“ car (especially trucks) in the market comes with some sort of positive market rate adjustment.
Biden caused a worldwide supply chain issue. Impressive.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:01 am to Penrod
quote:any place where you can read Esquire for free while eating a chocolate chip cookie the size of a manhole cover and simultaneously ogle college coeds will never be ‘unnecessary’
Technology has made dealers unnecessary, just as it made book stores unnecessary.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:02 am to SlimTigerSlap
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but they are the only thing protecting the consumer right now from dreaded subscription services.
How?
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Additionally, automakers would need to dedicate substantial resources to local service centers before it becomes convenient for the consumer to request repairs.
Tesla already has. At least manufacturers will have the option to use the dealer model or straight to consumer model Tesla prefers. As it stands, it is not a free market.
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Shipping your vehicle across state lines does not sound fun.
I get that. Some people outside of big cities already have to do this. If you have a Porsche in Lake Charles you are most likely taking it to Houston for service. It sucks I imagine but that will be things consumers will have to take into consideration. How close is a service center to them and will the savings on the vehicle upfront be worth it?
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:05 am to TheFlyingTiger
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No more discounts to clear the lot etc.
FYI they only do that when the manufacturers offer rebates to the dealers to clear out inventory. The dealers aren't losing money just to move a new vehicle. Manufacturers can still have sales without the dealer in the way.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:06 am to stout
Tesla has the best model. Dealerships are fricking useless. Their service departments are insane as well. “My car won’t start.” “Sorry, the first appointment we have is six weeks from now.”
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:07 am to stout
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FYI they only do that when the manufacturers offer rebates to the dealers to clear out inventory. The dealers aren't losing money just to move a new vehicle. Manufacturers can still have sales without the dealer in the way.
Ok fine. What I really meant was that previously, only retards would ever pay MSRP.
Now you won't have a choice.
We're all retards now.
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 8:08 am
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:08 am to stout
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I bought beer straight from a local brewery yesterday
You pay for it at the brewery, but often times the brewery has to sell it to a distributor, buy it back, and then sell it to you. It’s a racket.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:08 am to stout
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but they are the only thing protecting the consumer right now from dreaded subscription services.
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How
Dealerships are lobbying against subscription services and will refuse to buy vehicles that have them.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:11 am to TheFlyingTiger
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Now you won't have a choice.
There will still be competition just like there is now.
What makes you think dealers are keeping manufacturers from raising their MSRP?
MSRP includes dealer markup. Without that car manufacturers are competing against each other and may actually drive prices down to remain competitive. Ford will lower the cost of the F150 to outsell the 1500 for example.
Dealers are not selling below cost no matter what they tell you. MSRP even has the term "suggested" in it because there is room to make you feel good about negotiating. You are still paying more than you would with a direct-to-consumer model.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:11 am to SlimTigerSlap
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and will refuse to buy vehicles that have them.
Can't consumers do the same?
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:13 am to stout
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Can't consumers do the same?
Has that ever worked?
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:16 am to baldona
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You pay for it at the brewery, but often times the brewery has to sell it to a distributor, buy it back, and then sell it to you. It’s a racket.
Louisiana has a tap room exemption and they are pushing for a craft beer exemption IIRC. Or maybe that law passed last year. I am not up to date on where it stands but I know local breweries were pushing it.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:17 am to stout
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Additionally, automakers would need to dedicate substantial resources to local service centers before it becomes convenient for the consumer to request repairs.
Nah. They can easily setup programs to have current dealer service centers and/or local shops to be "Certified Brand Name Here" service centers.
I think you would see some shops that dedicate themselves to warranty work only.
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