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Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:52 am to
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:52 am to
2nd one by far for me.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:53 am to
Yup. 2
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:02 am to
Same here, 2 easily for me.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 11:12 am to
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Marko is terrible for F1. Dude kills driver careers for sport.



De Vries killed his own career by being 3 tenths slower than Tsunoda.

Who no one thinks is a world beater.
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 11:30 am to
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Marko is a POS that stifles competition and runs his little fiefdom to control 20% of the grid for the benefit of 1 driver.

Yep. F1 being such bitches about adding more teams while being okay with this is ridiculous.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 2:29 pm to
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De Vries killed his own career by being 3 tenths slower than Tsunoda.


I don't think Nyck would have been bounced had RIC not been in the wings.

Nyck's career ended at 9 races because Marko thinks he has a better option.
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 2:46 pm to
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I don't think Nyck would have been bounced had RIC not been in the wings.

Absolutely. But they decided that de Vries has no future with Red Bull, so this incredible opportunity presented itself to be able to evaluate both Danny and Yuki, and to put more pressure on Perez. My ideal scenario is for Danny or Yuki to get promoted to Red Bull next year, the other stays at AT, and Lawson fills the empty seat.

The even more ideal scenario for me is for Yuki to get promoted to Red Bull, and next year's AT driver pairing is Liam Lawson and Alex Palou. Between these four drivers and three seats, I prefer that the old guy gets pushed out in favor of new blood in the series.
Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 2:51 pm to
I kinda want Palou to stay in Indycar now.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 2:54 pm to
All the Palou talk just doesn't seem realistic. Not sure if it is true, but the word was he had to be signed by an F1 before the end of July.
Posted by kengel2
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 2:55 pm to
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I kinda want Palou to stay in Indycar now.


As long as he stays away from redbull, he should be alright.

RedBull is Max Verstappen and then everyone else is like twenty tiers lower.
Posted by griddle
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 3:06 pm to
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Nyck's career ended at 9 races because Marko thinks he has a better option.

As a business owner I have to make this same decision daily.

If someone is performing sub par and costing the company time and/or money I have to make a change to someone that will perform.

This is no different than what F1 managers do. Difference is they have to pull from a very tiny "work force" (drivers) which makes it even more difficult for them.
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 3:19 pm to
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I don't think Nyck would have been bounced had RIC not been in the wings.

Nyck's career ended at 9 races because Marko thinks he has a better option.


I think its a marketing move just as much as a race performance move.

They plan to rebrand the team soon, what better way to draw attention than to stick one of F1's biggest stars behind the wheel? I'd imagine the rebrand name will be issued before the season ends, so they'll have Danny Ricc around to shine the light on that instead of just getting brushed off.

Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 3:20 pm to
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As a business owner I have to make this same decision daily.

If someone is performing sub par and costing the company time and/or money I have to make a change to someone that will perform.


While all true, do you also take into consideration you might be reacting too quickly?
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 3:50 pm to
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Nyck's career ended at 9 races because Marko thinks he has a better option.

Not sure I see the issue with this?


I can definitely see the argument of not giving him enough time, but it's commendable to admit you made a mistake and deal with it immediately as opposed to trying to prove you were correct and keep him around too long because he's your guy.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 3:56 pm to
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I can definitely see the argument of not giving him enough time, but it's commendable to admit you made a mistake and deal with it immediately as opposed to trying to prove you were correct and keep him around too long because he's your guy.



Exactly... If you know he's not your guy longterm, break it off and move forward.

What Haas should have done with Nikita. Instead, they were too tied to the sponsorship and only made the change when they had to.

Now look what Hulk and Mag are doing. Yeah they aren't winning races, but they aren't consistent back of the pack.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:01 pm to
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Not sure I see the issue with this?



Explains the high washout rate with his drivers and his driver program.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:40 pm to
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Nyck's career ended at 9 races because Marko thinks he has a better option.




And you think this is wrong.

F1 isn't a fricking jobs program. It's performance based. If you don't perform you are gone.

Should an NFL team give a QB that sucks 2 years to continue to suck before making a move? No, and it doesn't happen if the team has a better choice.

Debris is 28 years old and has been driving single seaters for like 10 years. He's 3 tenths behind a guy that no one thinks is WDC material.

Adios Nick.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111151 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:45 pm to
Dumb, new F1 fan question...

If Alpha Tauri is the Red Bull junior program bssically and has a terrible car and Red Bull has an all time level fast car... Why don't they just give AT the exact same RB replica and Red Bull just completely dominate the sport with 4 drivers and 2 teams?
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:08 pm to
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Should an NFL team give a QB that sucks 2 years to continue to suck before making a move? No, and it doesn't happen if the team has a better choice.


The football equivalent would be cutting him before conference play begins.

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 He's 3 tenths behind a guy that no one thinks is WDC material.


While continuing to employ the second worse QB in the leauge for years with little improvement.

Junior team, coach him up. shite, coach anyone up at this point.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 5:13 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:11 pm to
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If Alpha Tauri is the Red Bull junior program bssically and has a terrible car and Red Bull has an all time level fast car... Why don't they just give AT the exact same RB replica and Red Bull just completely dominate the sport with 4 drivers and 2 teams?



Rules against it.

F1 is a constructors series. So you need to construct your own car. Or at least most of it. You are allowed to buy certain parts from other manufacturers (or have them made for you)

Haas is a good example of an independent that has Dallara construct the chassis and buys spec parts from Ferrari (including engine)


Also aren't allowed to share wind tunnel or research data. Although this is hard to completely police since teams share a lot of resources there as well.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 5:13 pm
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