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re: School sues autistic student for threatening to kill principal

Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:31 pm to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:31 pm to
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Roberts said high school staff have not given her son required behavioral support services, have pushed him into virtual learning and have overreacted to inappropriate comments at school, culminating in the unusual circumstance of a principal filing a criminal charge.



So, federal IDEA law requires that a kid be placed in the least restrictive environment in a school. A lot of schools don't have the on hand funds to hiring in behavioral support specialists to address this issue in a mainstream classroom.

I'm all for attempting to mainstream kids who are capable. Lots of kids with ASD that are mainstreamed and do ok. The reality is though not all are capable of that.

And district's hands are tied on creating specialized schools and facilities for these kids because they are forced to mainstream them despite them being a safety risk.
Posted by scuppernong
Member since Jan 2013
564 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:39 pm to
Lock his arse up. Another Adam Lanza in the making.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24897 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:48 pm to
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Too often the system now caters to the problem children at expense of the masses. I feel for those with challenges but schools must have means to discipline and enforce standards including behavior and academics.


At my son's school, the IEP group rarely caused any problems. Mostly sweet kids. But if this kid is like sociopathic, something needs to be done with him. That's dangerous.

All the "regular" kids were the ones getting caught with guns and knives and having massive fights in the cafeteria twice a week. My son and his friends stopped even going to the cafeteria. One kid in junior high, went home and shot his mom in the chest with a gun. He was "normal".

His school got incorporated into the Winston-Salem school district and turned 70% minority, then all hell broke lose at that school. Used to be one of the better schools in the area. Glad he graduated and got the hell out of there. We wanted to transfer him, but he didn't want that. Not many schools with IEP programs.

I don't think the special needs kids are the big problem here. Some can be, I'm not saying they're all angels.

Some of the medications that special needs kids are on have some pretty strong side effects. My son is on anti-seizure meds for epilepsy that can cause bipolar disorder. I'd rather him have an outburst than seizures. Not saying it is an excuse, but it's also not his fault. He's a good kid, but when he has an episode, you want to drive him to the woods and leave him there. Very hard to deal with. Then a couple hours later, he's back to his normal good self.

It's hard. These are tough situations. Sometimes there's no good solution. I get that the school should take action here. Maybe try home schooling kids with these types of issues. I don't know...

edit:
Just looked up the stats on the school again. It's gotten even worse rating since he left.

They screwed up a good school. Actually pisses me off bad.

Now it is over 76% minority and rates a 1/10 for college preparedness. Failed school and shite students.

I know I come off as defensive, but that's not my intention. And I wanted to vent about the downturn of the school...
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 2:55 pm
Posted by NOSTRODAMUS
Prairieville/Dutchtown
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:37 pm to
“I’d like to” and “I’m going to” are two different things. “Like to” isn’t a threat, technically. If those were his words, he’s Scott free regardless of his mental challenges.
Posted by Sampsonashford
Member since Dec 2022
88 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:11 pm to
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“would just love to kill administration.”

The school will lose. This is certainly not a threat to kill or harm anyone.

Sounds like the principal is a major snowflake. Imagine some baw telling a barista that “I’d like to punch you in the face right now“ or even “I’d like to strangle you right now“ and the barista filing charges. The barista would be skewered by the OT.

I can tell you for a fact that kids on the spectrum have made similar statements many many times in the past. Mostly are given some sort of discipline and sent for a mental health evaluation to determined dangerousness. And virtually all of them are cleared as not a danger to others and sent back to school
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 4:14 pm
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11537 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:29 pm to
My son is autistic and nonverbal and there is a portion of the system that just doesn't want to deal with him. It takes a ton of effort to even just watch him much less try to teach him anything.

The only place he gets to go is to school because they are legally required to teach him. Daycares won't watch him, they say he is too much work. Churches reject him for vacation bible schools and "mom's day out" programs, because you know that is the christian way. The Special kids day camp won't even take him, they refunded us and said they couldn't watch him after the first day... he was "too much". I guess all these people think my wife and I are some sort of super human experts because even the people who make it their lives to care for special needs kids "can't" handle him. You better believe I am going to hold the school system to the law until he ages out.

We also see the bad on the parents side, some people just suck.
Posted by ccard257
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Oct 2012
1316 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:15 pm to
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he just doesn’t have a filter


Bet he does now.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:29 pm to
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100% agree that the school shouldn't have to put up with that behavior, but the criminal complaint seems like too much. That being said, there is probably a whole lot left out of this story we aren't getting.


Considering this kid is a senior I'm guessing this has been an ongoing issue. Also, can't the principal make it six more months? Or was the criminal complaint the option the cops gave her to ensure the kid couldn't come to school until this was all worked out? Bad situation for everyone but the principal can't take on the responsibility of knowing a threat has been made and not use every resource to protect everyone else.
Posted by NOSTRODAMUS
Prairieville/Dutchtown
Member since Dec 2003
16251 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:51 pm to
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My son is autistic and nonverbal and there is a portion of the system that just doesn't want to deal with him


I’m sorry y’all are going though this. It’s heartbreaking. My son is on the spectrum but we don’t face the challenges you’ve described to that extreme. God bless you and your wife. It does take special people to tolerate the world around children with challenges such as this.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
69095 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:26 pm to
I don’t know what level this kid is at.

But if it’s like can’t do stuff on his own type, he’s probably repeating what his mother has said.

If he’s still functioning around just a little off, well you can’t say that stuff and not take it seriously anymore. Weren’t at least one or some of these mass shooters not like all there. Or probably had a list of learning disorders.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17074 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:30 pm to
Asperger's is a very mild form of autism. You would never know a person even has Asperger's under normal circumstances. Therefore, having Asperger's is not a free pass to go around threatening people. The school was right to expel him.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
51006 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:38 pm to
As the father of an autistic child, let me just be as clear as I can about this:

The school is doing the right thing. A high functioning autistic child (aka Asperger's) absolutely knows better than to say this to people:

quote:

would just love to kill administration.


This mother is a lunatic and a liar. People like this make it harder for my child, and I don't appreciate it.

quote:

They were supposed to have provided counseling since the ninth grade, but they said they could never keep a contract with a counselor, and so he didn’t get the counseling that he needed and there are a lot of other services that he was supposed to get that he did not get


I understand her concerns here, but insurance will cover this for most autistic kids. Why didn't she get him a counselor herself? Why is it all about what she can get instead of what she can do?

quote:

disparities facing students with disabilities, who represent 13% of the student population nationwide but experienced 23% of expulsions,


I guarantee you the large majority of these instances are people who game the system to be labeled "disabled" for benefits, not because of people with actual disabilities.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
51006 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:40 pm to
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I don’t know what level this kid is at.



Asperger's isn't diagnosed anymore (they call it "Autism level 1" now), but they specifically call him Asperger's in the article. That means he is VERY high functioning and if he wasn't trained to act like a fool by his parents then no one would ever know he's autistic.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 6:41 pm
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
11333 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:53 pm to
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Considering this kid is a senior I'm guessing this has been an ongoing issue. Also, can't the principal make it six more months? Or was the criminal complaint the option the cops gave her to ensure the kid couldn't come to school until this was all worked out? Bad situation for everyone but the principal can't take on the responsibility of knowing a threat has been made and not use every resource to protect everyone else.


Honestly, we don’t have enough to really speculate other than projecting our own experiences. The thread will likely be a Rorschach test of the type of educators we’ve been around, and type of kids we’ve experienced dealing with challenges.

That said, my gut is most educators aren’t doing this whimsically on a first comment. Especially this close to the end of his time there. Without serious concern, it seems the easiest path would be trying to go with the flow as much as possible for a couple months.
Posted by adamau
Member since Oct 2020
3558 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 7:03 pm to
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My son is autistic and nonverbal and there is a portion of the system that just doesn't want to deal with him. It takes a ton of effort to even just watch him much less try to teach him anything.

The only place he gets to go is to school because they are legally required to teach him. Daycares won't watch him, they say he is too much work. Churches reject him for vacation bible schools and "mom's day out" programs, because you know that is the christian way. The Special kids day camp won't even take him, they refunded us and said they couldn't watch him after the first day... he was "too much". I guess all these people think my wife and I are some sort of super human experts because even the people who make it their lives to care for special needs kids "can't" handle him. You better believe I am going to hold the school system to the law until he ages out.

We also see the bad on the parents side, some people just suck.


Breaks my heart for your son. I know there are things and experiences he would enjoy if he was given the chance to have some of those experiences. I hope you're able to find some places he can be cared for at times both for him and you and your wife.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Member since Jun 2020
42780 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 7:05 pm to
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armsdealer

quote:

My son is autistic and nonverbal

quote:

Churches reject him for vacation bible schools

How old is he and where are you?
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16345 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 7:27 pm to
Yeah, without knowing the specifics, it is really hard to say who is in the right. My son is 9 and was diagnosed as Level 1 autistic (Aspergers, which they don't label as such anymore). He has major issues getting overwhelmed and expressing emotions in a calm manner.

But just guessing, it seems that since there is an IEP in place, the school is filing charges as a way to get around the accommodations they are legally obligated to fulfill.

Once again, need more specifics to comment with certainty.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
51006 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:38 pm to
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Churches reject him for vacation bible schools and "mom's day out" programs, because you know that is the christian way.


If professional daycares and special kids camps don't have the people equipped to handle your child, why would you expect a church event staffed by volunteers to have people equipped for this? Why would you even want random volunteers with little to no training on autistic children keeping your kid?

All that said, if you're in the Hoover Alabama area I know the church for you.

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The only place he gets to go is to school because they are legally required to teach him.


What is your plan for him after he ages out?
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 9:41 pm
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
15803 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:21 pm to
ASD or not…. No place for threats or violent activity by any student.
Kid needs professional help and you can’t rely on school system to do that for you.
Posted by biglego
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Member since Nov 2007
76652 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:30 pm to
Who knows. Some kids are incredibly tough to deal with and impact the school’s ability to teach other kids. Some kids are capable of violence, even if they’re autistic.

And at the same time, many school administrators are pearl-clutching pussies or power-tripping women looking to flex their muscles in their little fiefdoms.

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