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re: If LSU is fortunate enough to win out and beat UGA in SEC championship

Posted on 11/7/22 at 6:54 am to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59246 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 6:54 am to
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So, you would be cool with an 8-4 team making the playoff if they won the sec champion game?


LSU wouldn't be 8-4 if the scenario in which I'm discussing happened. If you want to make up other scenarios as some sort of Socratic exercise, knock yourself out, chief. I won't be playing along.
Posted by Hurricane2020
Member since Apr 2020
2509 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:00 am to
I think Tennessee is out no matter what.

Let's say this is you final rankings prior to conference championships

#1 Georgia 12-0
#2 Ohio State 12-0
#3 TCU 12-0
#4 Tennessee 11-1
#5 Oregon 11-1
#7 LSU 10-2
#7 USC 11-1
#8 Michigan 11-1

Post Conference championship games
The easy ones in this scenario:

#1 Ohio State 13-0 Big-10 champ
#2 TCU 13-0 Big-12 champ

Now we have to figure it out

Oregon 12-1 Pac-12 champ
LSU 11-2 SEC champ
Clemson 12-1 blowout by ND champ
Georgia 12-1 SEC runner up
Tennessee 11-1

So let's talk about it:

Oregon:
Only loss is to a very good Georgia but since then they have turned their season around blew out and won their conference, and the craziest part is bo nix is a Heisman candidate.

LSU:
Lost by a blocked extra point in game 1 of the season. Was hot and cold to start. Got blewout by Tennessee at home after making tons of mistakes. Then proceeds to put on big boy pants, whoops Florida, embarrasses ole miss, shocks Bama, proceeds to swap up the trash at the end of the schedule before knocking off the unanimous #1 team in the country and won the SEC Championship game.

Clemson:
frick Clemson and Dabo Swiney's pity party. They just got blown out by the worst Notre Dame team in 10 years. Who cares if they won a cripple fight in the All Cripple Conference championship game.

Georgia:
They ANNIHILATED Oregon to open the season. Got lazy against a lot of really bad teams throughout the season but still won. Proceeded to Stomp Tennessee in November and went to the SEC championship game before losing to a surging LSU team.

Tennessee:
They beat by Bama as underdogs. Stomped an LSU team that wasn't playing consistently good football, but proceeded to be embarrassed by Georgia and missed the SEC championship game.

So with that said here are your picks for top 4 in my opinion:

#1 Ohio State 13-0 Big-10 champ
#2 TCU 13-0 Big-12 champ
#3 Oregon 12-1 Pac 12 champ
#4 LSU 11-2 SEC champ

#5 Georgia 12-1 SEC runner up
#6 Tennessee 11-1
#7 Clemson 12-1 ACC champ
#8 Michigan 11-1

But let's say TCU drops a game, they haven't been a good team all year and have been squeaking games out. Being undefeated is the only thing propping their resume up right now:

#1 Ohio State 13-0 Big-10 champ
#2 Oregon 12-1 Pac 12 champ
#3 LSU 11-2 SEC champ
#4 Georgia 12-1 SEC runner up

#5 Tennessee 11-1
#6 TCU 12-1 Big-12 champ
#7 Clemson 12-1 ACC champ
#8 Michigan 11-1

The CFP committee more credit for how good a team is playing in November vs how a team played in September and October. The SEC is also by far the best conference top to bottom in the country. Should LSU win the SEC championship game, the committee will be forced to place LSU above the team they beat and the team the runner up blew out. The committee will hold significantly more weight for LSUs win over Georgia, vs Tennessees October win over LSU. LSU will have beaten 2 top 10 teams and the #1 team in the country by the final week of the season. If LSU doesn't get in then no SEC team will.
Posted by boweswi05
birmingham
Member since Aug 2016
5704 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:03 am to
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You think if we win out AND beat Georgia for the sec championship.. we still ranked behind Tennessee??

What a dumbass you are




I didn't say that you little dick troll
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
31089 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 7:56 am to
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quote:

No chance the sec champion is being left out.


That mentality is dumb. So, if lsu loses to arkansas, and still beats uga in atlanta, you think 3 loss lsu should get a playoff spot?


Even two-loss LSU is not a given. Probably will because the teams ahead of LSU in other conferences are likely to drop games.

The concern is there are potentially two undefeated conference champs and a 1 loss conference champ, whose only loss is to Georgia, ahead of us in the standing already. Then you would have a 1-loss Tennessee, who stomped LSU, plus a 1-loss Georgia, probably ranked #1 before the SECCG, that we would also have to jump.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28632 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:15 am to
It would put the committee in a huge bind and show the playoff need for expansion (though I still think 12 is too many). The committee would perform whatever mental gymnastics would be necessary to justify not placing 3 SEC teams in the CFP. Particularly in light of the fact two of them wouldn't be conference champions.

It would also bring in the discussion of "quality wins" which is commonplace in college basketball. Oregon has only one win over a (last weeks) top 20 opponent (UCLA). USC has none. Michigan has one such win (Penn St). Same for Ohio St. Clemson's best wins (Syracuse and Wake Forest) both lost this weekend.

The committee is not leaving out a Big 10 team. The leaders in the ACC and Pac 12 already each have 1 loss (with the potential for more). The Big 12's only hope is TCU. To their credit, they have gone undefeated to date. But every game seems to be a fight. It seems unlikely they can withstand back to back road games at Texas and Baylor coming up.

Posted by BigBigger
Member since Sep 2014
88 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:22 am to
You obviously don’t get college football
Posted by YeauxTigers
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Dec 2007
957 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:30 am to
I think and hope if we win out, we are in the playoff (with possible wins over three top 7 teams). Winning out will be very tough, but it is possible. We have all seen before how tough end of the year SEC road games can be. UGA in Atlanta will be tough, they have a great D Line. But we have seen this before too and have performed well.

Also, I think the committee will not want to put three SEC teams in the playoff, they would never hear the end of that. So, I don't think that is happening.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84393 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:35 am to
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They would 100% deserve to go ahead of us


Negative. Teams should never be rewarded for sitting at home while other teams beat the #1 team.
Posted by SlickRickerz
Member since Oct 2018
2290 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:58 am to
The final rankings will be
1. Ohio State
2. TCU
3. LSU
4. Georgia
Or
1. Michigan
2. Oregon
3. Georgia
4. LSU
Posted by patchesohoulihan_007
Member since Jul 2015
2176 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:18 am to
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feel bad for tennessee in that scenario. They would 100% deserve to go ahead of us



Wrong. Wouldn’t win their conference let alone their division. Just bc they beat a cross division team (US) 3 months ago doesn’t mean their resume trumps ours

committee places importance on that. Also their loss came later than ours did (in this scenario that is) which is also important

2 loss SEC champion goes and the committee has a job to pic either bama or tenn.
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