- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Colorado deputies shoot and kill man who asked for help after car crash
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:44 am to UpToPar
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:44 am to UpToPar
quote:
They were out there for over an hour. I think they had a pretty good idea what was going on. I raised this question earlier, how long do you wait?
And I’m saying, they have no protocol at all for dealing with a mental health episode?
2
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
If LEO on the scene weren't using impairment as a justification, then there is none left
Just because one cop doesn't tell another cop that he suspects that the driver is impaired doesnt mean that there isn't justification. You watched the video. You don't honestly believe that there's no justification for, at the very least, a field sobriety test.
You're smarter than this.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:46 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
They have 112 and 999. Emergency numbers for emergencies.
Pretty sure this dude thought he had an emergency, seemed pretty scared. But he should have called roadside service instead of any public servant.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:47 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:46 am to shel311
quote:
Seems like a simple safety procedure, it's safer to remove the person from the vehicle/weapons then to allow the person to grab the weapons and throw them out the window.
If the safety concern was the weapons then getting them out of the car should alleviate that concern. Its was a knife not a gun so the danger is still contaitned in the car. It seemed to be the only option considered was forcefully getting him out of the car, which is the only way the cops could be put in danger by the knife/tools. There is knife let me get closer to it when I don't have to doesn't make sense.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:46 am to UpToPar
quote:
. You don't honestly believe that there's no justification for, at the very least, a field sobriety test.
This isn't what I think.
This is what the investigating LEO thought, in real time. That's what matters.
There has been nothing released as of this post to suggest LEO had intoxicated driving as a concern or belief. That may change with more information being released, so we'll see.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:46 am to crazy4lsu
quote:
And I’m saying, they have no protocol at all for dealing with a mental health episode?
I'm sure they do, but things start getting real murky with whether you're dealing with a mental health episode or someone high on pcp or some other hallucinogenic.
It will be interesting to see the toxicology reports.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:47 am to crazy4lsu
quote:You tell me.
Well why did I?
quote:Dude crashed car, admitted to being on something, and visually/audibly seemed to be surely having some kind of mental episode.
Or rather, what is the primary issue, the mental health episode or the possibility of potential violence?
Some dudes are arguing the cops should have just left, which is silly. Some are arguing the cops should just sit there and wait it out for hours. I highly doubt that's a policy they utilize, so even if that is what you want them to do, I doubt that is something they're allowed to do.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
This is what the investigating LEO thought, in real time. That's what matters.
Based on what? The highly condensed video that cuts an hour + interaction down to approximately 10 minutes. You're concluding that because there was no statement made on the 10 minute video that they suspected that he was impaired that there's no justification?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Here's your issue, we have an absence of facts. We do not know the answer to that question you just asked but you have unequivocally taken not knowing and made it a fact that he did not state this is as a concern.
If the LEO didn't cite/state this as a concern
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Pretty sure this dude thought he had an emergency, seemed pretty scared. But he should have called roadside service instead of any public servant.
That's fine and I don't disagree, but this is what I responded to:
quote:
He called 911. That shouldn't be considered a call for cops. Maybe we should enable dispatchers to call tow trucks.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:49 am to crazy4lsu
quote:
And I’m saying, they have no protocol at all for dealing with a mental health episode?
Cops make mental crises worse. Call a wrecker, avoiid the cops..
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Is that a normal policy that a cop is told to do in his training, wait it out?
this is a hypothetical where they wait with him so long he sobers up
quote:It's still very relevant.
At that point, it's irrelevant.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:50 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:50 am to UpToPar
quote:
I'm sure they do, but things start getting real murky with whether you're dealing with a mental health episode or someone high on pcp or some other hallucinogenic.
There shouldn't be any difference
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:50 am to 21zereaux
quote:Definitely not SFP
Anyone read that?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:51 am to Dizz
quote:Getting him out of the car alleviates that concern in the safest manner.
If the safety concern was the weapons then getting them out of the car should alleviate that concern
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:51 am to MorbidTheClown
quote:
quote:
“I have two knives and a hammer and a rubber mallet,”
seems like and odd assortment
The only things odd are 1) a single rock hammer, most geologists would have two, of different weights
and 2) a snake bite kit, and 3) a pry bar for retrieving rock samples.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:51 am to Street Hawk
I mean the cops could have definitely handled this better. But this guy probably died as a direct result of liberal propaganda and fear mongering of cops. He called the cops for help and then proceeded to sit in his car for over an hour. That makes absolutely no sense and it’s understandable that it put the cops on high alert.
And to all the people saying his fears were warranted is because the idiot didn’t listen to cops for over an hour. The #1 rule when dealing with cops is comply don’t die. He failed.
I’m not defending either party. They were both at fault.
And to all the people saying his fears were warranted is because the idiot didn’t listen to cops for over an hour. The #1 rule when dealing with cops is comply don’t die. He failed.
I’m not defending either party. They were both at fault.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:55 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Cops make mental crises worse.
Of course they do, but we are asking them to do multiple things at once without appropriate training.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:51 am to shel311
quote:
Is this England?
Colorado
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:52 am to UpToPar
quote:
Based on what?
How we judge these situations, as they occurred in real time.
quote:
You're concluding that because there was no statement made on the 10 minute video that they suspected that he was impaired that there's no justification?
No?
I've said there has been no actual evidence that LEO, in real time, had any concern about intoxication.
If that's true, this message board meme about it, is irrelevant and worthless to the discussion.
Just because no evidence has been presented yet, as I said clearly earlier, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Page 11 of 27
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News