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re: Boutte was open everytime he was in a pass pattern.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:39 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:39 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
quote:the fact that he couldn’t perform better than either one should tell you something.
Sorry I wanted the him over the one-read scrambler or the guy who rolls to his left and throws late into triple coverage.
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Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:41 pm to misey94
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That said, a good 50-75% of college QBs can’t do this consistently.
The percentage is probably 85% of college QBs can't do this consistently. But next weekend we will face a QB (Will Rogers) that has pretty damn good anticipatory skills. It makes up for a lack of athleticism.
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Either they don’t have the processing speed, the nerve, or either.
This is part of it but mostly it's work. You need to practice a lot with your WRs to develop the trust.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:43 pm to DCTXLA
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the fact that he couldn’t perform better than either one should tell you something.
There’s no way he was making those awful throws like Nuss. We’ve seen enough of Myles to know he doesn’t treat the ball like Mardi Gras beads.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:45 pm to geauxkoo
Thanks for the analysis. Game film, huh?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:46 pm to geauxkoo
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What I see is that JD is not making anticipatory throws where he leads the receiver into the open window.
This is the thing that concerns me the most with Daniels. He is clearly our best option at QB and I am not unhappy with his play but he has been late on a bunch of throws, some were completions and some broken up. Not sure if it is a lack of comfort/playing time with his receivers. I think what some people have said were underthrows were actually late throws to a spot. Maybe he is not quite adjusted to the speed of the LSU receivers. He did have a couple of throws that were a tad long as well.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:54 pm to geauxkoo
It's all communication and knowing where the receiver is going to be. He'll get there. Remember, Boutte and Bech have both missed time in camp.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:58 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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Sorry I wanted the him over the one-read scrambler or the guy who rolls to his left and throws late into triple coverage.
Feel free to follow him.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:58 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
“If only we had had a QB who stays in the pocket and goes through his professions, is accurate, has a big arm but doesn’t make boneheaded YOLO throws. “
Oh wait…
EXACTLY!
And anybody who doesn’t see it that way is obviously blind.
Just ask Boutte. Or any receiver on this team.
Oh wait…
EXACTLY!
And anybody who doesn’t see it that way is obviously blind.
Just ask Boutte. Or any receiver on this team.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:02 pm to GumboPot
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This is part of it but mostly it's work. You need to practice a lot with your WRs to develop the trust.
For the guys who can actually process the action fast enough, sure. There are probably a lot of QBs out there who could do this and just aren’t putting in the work, or aren’t being developed properly and don’t know what to do
However, a lot of people just aren’t capable at the level we are talking about. Work can only take you so far if you just don’t have the capacity to see the field and react quickly enough.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:07 pm to geauxkoo
Daniels was 10/11 with 3 TDs Saturday. So if he missed Boutte he wasn’t missing other open receivers on the same play
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:10 pm to GumboPot
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This is part of it but mostly it's work. You need to practice a lot with your WRs to develop the trust.
This. People forget it took Burrow an entire season and another offseason to develop the chemistry he had w our receivers
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:14 pm to GumboPot
This.
It's why, unless he gets better, we won't beat Bama or Florida or prolly Arky. His legs won't do it against those teams.
It's why, unless he gets better, we won't beat Bama or Florida or prolly Arky. His legs won't do it against those teams.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:14 pm to abellsujr
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I think Daniels is fine. And I think you did way too much work on this. And I don’t even think you know fully what you’re talking about or looking at.
Why are people so defensive about Daniels on this topic while shitting all over Nuss? This is a legitimate area for improvement for Daniels that Kelly has also alluded to repeatedly.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:15 pm to GumboPot
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I believe Joe Brady gets too much credit for the 2019 championship but this is one thing that he emphasized during the off season with Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. He help them get the timing down before fall camp.
If you don't have timing down with your WRs before the season begins it is very difficult to develop it over the season. There is just not enough time during the week in college.
This is another red flag with Denbrock IMO
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:26 pm to Gabe Rippen
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would say it’s more about trusting his own pre snap reads and decision making than it is about trusting his receivers
I agree that a lot of it is likely pre-snap reads - identifying the coverage, knowing where to look, and knowing what to look for post-snap.
Once the ball is snapped, everything happens in a split second. I think people generally overestimate how much college QBs can do at that point. The elite ones can process information incredibly fast, but that’s why they’re elite.
One good example is the play against FSU where Bech got wide open on a broken coverage in the first half. FSU was in man and both the LB and DB went to the running back, leaving Bech uncovered. But immediately after the snap, the LB was running right at Bech. Jayden moved on to the other side of the field (which was all covered) and wound up running for 11 yards.
Literally milliseconds after Daniels looked away from Bech, the LB overran him because he was running to the RB. If Daniels had held the ball longer he would have had Bech for a big gain. But during the <0.5 seconds he had to make the read he saw A) man coverage and B) a linebacker that was in position to cover Bech’s route.
This is a good example, I think, of why busted coverages in particular don’t always get picked up by the QB. In order to get through the progression faster, the QB has to look for specific pieces of information based on the play call and the defensive look. They very often don’t get all of the information that you get watching it back in slow motion.
And the larger point is that the QB has to know what he’s looking for before the ball is snapped.
Because of that, there are going to be times that a guy gets open and the QB doesn’t see it even when he does make the right reads. Maybe Kayshon shouldn’t be open based on the coverage but he just beats someone on his route. Maybe a DB trips. I suspect if someone took the time to go break down film from good college QBs playing on other teams, you would see that this isn’t all that uncommon.
The key is eliminating the other cases, where the QB doesn’t see something pre-snap and therefore doesn’t make the right read to begin with. We’ve seen a few of those, but the good news is that pre-snap reads are a much easier thing to improve in-season as Daniels continues to get more familiar with the offense.
/essay
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:27 pm to geauxkoo
quote:Wow. Watching this guys film breakdown makes you realize just how screwed LSU is when they play SEC DBs. JD doesn’t have confidence to fit it in tight windows or throw receivers open which is exactly what he will need to do. He will run 9 out of 10 times.
This guy does a really good job of detailing some of the misses.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:32 pm to geauxkoo
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He's got to let go of the ball and trust his receivers.
It’s only his third year. Give him time to learn things. Next may be even reading coverages.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:49 pm to abellsujr
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Jesus dude. Will you get off his dick already?
Says the guy with the sloppy seconds actor for his ID picture...
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:00 pm to TrouserTrout
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makes you realize just how screwed LSU is when they play SEC DBs.
With Nussmeier they’re screwed when they play against SWAC DBs
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:00 pm to GetmorewithLes
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You must have missed the part where Jordan Rogers pointed out that Boutte was drawing double coverage and that ball was supposed to go to one of 3 receivers on the left side that were all single covered and wide open...
I saw the same analysis earlier in the week and actually was surprised he brought it up. But yes he did say even though JD should not have thrown it to him he should have been looking and caught it...
I didn't see anything about that nor did I see how the other WRs were covered, so that's possible. But I did see the pass and it was a good anticipation pass to LSU's best WR and as Rogers apparently said, it should have been a completion. He put it right where it needed to be for Boutte.
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