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re: US court sentences Ahmaud Arbery killer to life in prison
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:29 pm to Ingeniero
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:29 pm to Ingeniero
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If your opinion is "people should be able to hold other people at gunpoint if they think they might've committed a crime and can shoot them if they defend themselves" then you're not worth discussing this with. It's an absurd take.
This nonsense keeps being stated. They KNEW he had committed crimes in their area and had witnessed it previously. One of them had also previously attempted to confront him and even had called 911 about him at that time.
ETA: I don't understand why y'all are so incapable of having an honest conversation about this case and its implications.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 7:30 pm
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:32 pm to Napoleon
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If you're already convicted of life. Why exec go to court and put on a suit? I would have to be strapped up like Hannibal lector. I'm already here for life. What you going to do?
Most people are just happy to get out of jail for a bit. Even if just for trial.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:32 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I will say this, I’m not a big fan of the federal district judge’s decision to deny the initial 30 year plea bargain just so the McMichaels have to spend the entire time in state prison…for the all but explicitly stated reason that the state prison is more dangerous for the McMichaels.
Not that the McMichaels are the first to get this kind of cruel treatment, but I still am not down for it…white or black.
Not that the McMichaels are the first to get this kind of cruel treatment, but I still am not down for it…white or black.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:33 pm to imjustafatkid
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They KNEW he had committed crimes in their area and had witnessed it previously.
I'm aware. I'm telling you it's ridiculous that because someone has criminal record you think you should be able to hold them at gunpoint on sight based on an assumption they're in commission of a crime. Just because someone has committed a crime in the past doesn't mean Joe Blow gets to point a shotgun in their face and demand answers.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:34 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Show me the fricking evidence he was out for a jog
Well, video and witness testimony says he was outside jogging. If you think he was also up to no good, then fine. I won't argue. But that's the evidence right there.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:35 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Not that the McMichaels are the first to get this kind of cruel treatment, but I still am not down for it…white or black.
I'm also not a fan of these things, but it's hard for me to feel this way when it comes to child molesters. That's a failing I'm trying to work on.
If we as a society honestly believe life in prison is the "just" sentence, we shouldn't be hoping someone on the inside does the dirty work, that we actually wanted, for us.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:37 pm to QJenk
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Well, video and witness testimony says he was outside jogging. If you think he was also up to no good, then fine. I won't argue. But that's the evidence right there.
Wrong
The video is of him running from the crazy people. That doesn’t mean he was out for a jog.
The video showed him wandering around the unfinished home. There is no video of him exercising.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:37 pm to Ingeniero
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I'm telling you it's ridiculous that because someone has criminal record you think you should be able to hold them at gunpoint on sight based on an assumption they're in commission of a crime.
That's not what I'm saying. They had witnessed him committing crimes in their area previously. I'm not just saying that one of them knew him from his time as a cop.
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Just because someone has committed a crime in the past doesn't mean Joe Blow gets to point a shotgun in their face and demand answers.
Doesn't it? If you know the police are looking for a suspect you've previously reported to them, shouldn't you have the right to detain that person for them if you run into him again? If not, then why not? Honestly, I don't understand why this isn't allowed.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:45 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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The video is of him running from the crazy people. That doesn’t mean he was out for a jog.
The video showed him wandering around the unfinished home. There is no video of him exercising.
Or maybe he was jogging and he decided to go inside the home. Whether he was just jogging or was out doing something more sinister in mind, that doesn't change the facts of this case.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:47 pm to imjustafatkid
All I want from the federal and state prison systems is to take the felon out of circulation. I’m not a fan of the “prison shanks/rapes are a feature not a bug” mindset.
Arbery’s family is justifiably upset. But their stated reason for wanting the McMichaels to serve time in the George prison system is that they would be more likely to be targets.
That shouldn’t factor in to the sentencing. The McMichaels confessed in their initial plea bargain and they would have been out of circulation for 30 years.
To me, society wins with that plea bargain. To decline it to enforce imprisonment in the state system is tantamount to condoning prison shanks/rapes as a punishment.
Arbery’s family is justifiably upset. But their stated reason for wanting the McMichaels to serve time in the George prison system is that they would be more likely to be targets.
That shouldn’t factor in to the sentencing. The McMichaels confessed in their initial plea bargain and they would have been out of circulation for 30 years.
To me, society wins with that plea bargain. To decline it to enforce imprisonment in the state system is tantamount to condoning prison shanks/rapes as a punishment.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:59 pm to QJenk
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Well, video and witness testimony says he was outside jogging. If you think he was also up to no good, then fine. I won't argue. But that's the evidence right there.
There is actual video from the house across the street. He sprints out the house when the neighbor called the cops. He wasn’t jogging. The jogging story came from his mother.
Either way these dudes didn’t follow the law as stated an are paying for it. I just have an issue with this hate crime bs. Anything could be turned into that.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:07 pm to QJenk
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Or maybe he was jogging and he decided to go inside the home. Whether he was just jogging or was out doing something more sinister in mind, that doesn't change the facts of this case.
I’m not arguing the facts of the case
I’m arguing that the left doesn’t give a shite about Ahmaud. They only care in so much as they can paint the picture they want.
That’s why they twist the facts and label him a “jogger”
They want all black people to think they are being hunted in the streets so that they keep voting democrat. That’s all this is about. PERIOD.
I read a story the other day that some gang members in Chicago lured the 10 year old son of a rival gang member into an alley by promising him candy then shot him in the face.
Do you know what his name was? I bet you don’t
And that story is infinitely more disgusting than this story without any embellishment.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:09 pm to imjustafatkid
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The only way they were going to get him to stop and talk to them was to force him to stop.
Well too bad for them then. You probably supported people snitching on others for not wearing their masks too.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:09 pm to dgnx6
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There is actual video from the house across the street. He sprints out the house when the neighbor called the cops. He wasn’t jogging. The jogging story came from his mother.
Thank you
I don’t give a shite about the rednecks. I’m not defending them.
I’m sick of the media only highlighting events they try to portray as racist so they can keep pushing this narrative that black people are being hunted by racists and cops.
It’s destroying this country.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:10 pm to imjustafatkid
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If you know the police are looking for a suspect you've previously reported to them, shouldn't you have the right to detain that person for them if you run into him again? If not, then why not? Honestly, I don't understand why this isn't allowed.
Because you are not police. There is a reason you reported them to police in the first place. It’s because they are the ones who handle these things. Call them again and tell them that a known felon is running down your street. You don’t get to play Wyatt Earp just because you feel like you have some ownership of the public street in front of your house. Idiots like you are why I’m glad we have a second amendment.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:31 pm to imjustafatkid
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Doesn't it? If you know the police are looking for a suspect you've previously reported to them, shouldn't you have the right to detain that person for them if you run into him again? If not, then why not? Honestly, I don't understand why this isn't allowed
Because that's vigilantism. You have no right or authority to stop another citizen because you suspect something. What you are asking for would set a terrible precedent. You want a society where citizens can stop and harass any other person who either has a criminal record or that people may "feel" that the other is up to no good. Think about the erosion of rights and the violence that would come from that. There is a reason we give a tremendous amount of power and authority to law enforcement and not the general public. Think about how often trained police mess up, but you believe regular Joe should handle it. Unreal.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:35 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I’m not arguing the facts of the case
We know because the facts you’ve stated are wrong
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I’m arguing that the left doesn’t give a shite about Ahmaud. They only care in so much as they can paint the picture they want.
Why do you care so much? The utter obsession with the left/right bullshite is a mental illness.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:45 pm to shaquilleoatmeal
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Why do you care so much? The utter obsession with the left/right bullshite is a mental illness.
It’s tribal mentality. The “Left” is largely pro prosecution in the Arbery case. And there’s a large segment of the pro-defense side that identifies as “Right.”
Can’t entertain the possibility that the prosecution got it 100% right or else you’re a soy latte drinking cuck.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:00 pm to CaptSpaulding
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Because you are not police. There is a reason you reported them to police in the first place. It’s because they are the ones who handle these things. Call them again and tell them that a known felon is running down your street. You don’t get to play Wyatt Earp just because you feel like you have some ownership of the public street in front of your house. Idiots like you are why I’m glad we have a second amendment.
This is exactly the mindset that leads to removal of our second amendment rights and lawlessness like we see in Los Angeles. We should all have just as much right to detain people for crimes we have actually witnessed as police do. Their authority is given by us, not the other way around.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:03 pm to AgCoug
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You have no right or authority to stop another citizen because you suspect something. What you are asking for would set a terrible precedent. You want a society where citizens can stop and harass any other person who either has a criminal record or that people may "feel" that the other is up to no good.
This nonsense keeps popping up. They knew he had committed crimes in the area. They witnessed it themselves. They didn't have to "feel" anything.
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