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re: Asian store owner fights back. Thwarts robbery and stabs thug multiple times
Posted on 8/5/22 at 10:46 pm to rt3
Posted on 8/5/22 at 10:46 pm to rt3
Like I said earlier, if the guy jumped over the counter and the clerk fired one shot and killed him would that not be self defense.
Unfortunately, with a knife you never know if the other guy is subdued and, if not, does that person have a gun? The person is already committing a felony.
no telling what prosecutor does but do you really want to piss off the asian community?
Unfortunately, with a knife you never know if the other guy is subdued and, if not, does that person have a gun? The person is already committing a felony.
no telling what prosecutor does but do you really want to piss off the asian community?
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 12:33 am to DeltaFishTiger
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Let someone show up in your home or place of work masked up and start stealing shite and see if you don’t feel like you’re life is threatened.
The Louisiana law for justifiable homicide: LINK
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A. A homicide is justifiable:
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(3) When committed against a person whom one reasonably believes to be likely to use any unlawful force against a person present in a dwelling or a place of business, or when committed against a person whom one reasonably believes is attempting to use any unlawful force against a person present in a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), while committing or attempting to commit a burglary or robbery of such dwelling, business, or motor vehicle.
Let’s assume for the sake of conversation that 1) this law applies and 2) the perp did not display any weapon and did not do anything other than jump the counter and try to grab something to steal.
Our stabber has to articulate a reasonable belief that pin cushion was going to use an unlawful force against a person present in the place of business.
I’m all for thieves finding out, but you have to at least see the fine edge that the store clerk has to walk to defend himself. The video doesn’t show the stabbee doing anything aggressive or violent, just trying to steal something. Regardless what we think the law should be, the law does not generally recognize a justifiable homicide merely to prevent theft of property.
Imagine security or police getting to shoot every thief trying to run out of Walmart. Fun to think about, but not legal.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 1:31 am to rt3
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This could very well be a murder.
Well the kid lived so I doubt it.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 6:12 am to Breauxsif
Ya boy getting his stab on.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 6:27 am to Breauxsif
Am I the only one who could just hear the clerk thinking, “kidney, thigh, spleen, lungs, spine?”
Posted on 8/6/22 at 6:45 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Imagine security or police getting to shoot every thief trying to run out of Walmart. Fun to think about, but not legal.
So, you are comparing
>> Someone running AWAY from Walmart with stolen items and having security/police shoot them..
to
>> Someone JUMPING OVER THE COUNTER in the direction of the store owner and having the owner immediately attack him before the loser can cause harm to the owner…
Damn, I really, really hate people that even remotely think like you do. It is people with a mindset like yours that are the very reason for the problems in this country.
And no, I do not believe you are playing devil’s advocate.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 6:59 am to Penrod
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The clerk has to have a reasonable fear that the perp was endangering his life. That clearly is not true.
He reasonably thought that the perp who jumped the counter to put himself in close proximity to the clerk wearing a hoodie in the Summer was concealing a weapon. All he needs is one juror to see it that way.
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 7:00 am
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:02 am to Penrod
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This has nothing to do with it
This has everything to do with it.
Don’t be a goddamn lemming…
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:26 am to PsychTiger
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Has the store owner been arrested yet?
If this were in NYC that lowlife, oxygen thief, repugnant asswipe, cocksucking, steaming pile of shite DA Alvin Bragg would have him arrested.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:43 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Our stabber has to articulate a reasonable belief that pin cushion was going to use an unlawful force against a person present in the place of business.
The part that y’all are ignoring is that he jumped over the counter.
In fact both of the thugs tried to jump over the counter.
Y’all are confusing that with someone just grabbing an item in the store and trying to run out.
Two people jumping over the counter surrounding you definitely signals an attack.
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 7:44 am
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:46 am to GusAU
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>> Someone JUMPING OVER THE COUNTER in the direction of the store owner and having the owner immediately attack him before the loser can cause harm to the owner…
Just to be clear, I’m not against the store owner. I’m just fine with the result in this situation. I’m sad it had to happen at all, but that’s why we carry guns to protect ourselves when others force these situations on us. We’re just enjoying the luxury of analyzing the situation without having to make the split second decision that the store owner had to make.
Let’s analyze what you just suggested, that “jumping over the counter” somehow justifies immediate deadly force. The video doesn’t show him immediately going for the owner, just something on the wall. The owner rounded the corner to go after him.
The owner will have to justify himself by saying he thought he needed to preemptively attack because he was somehow threatened. The video doesn’t appear to show a threat, implied or otherwise, just an attempt to steal. Was the act of jumping over the counter enough to present a reasonable threat? What if he had calmly just walked around the counter to take something, justifiable to kill for that?
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Damn, I really, really hate people that even remotely think like you do. It is people with a mindset like yours that are the very reason for the problems in this country. And no, I do not believe you are playing devil’s advocate.
Think what you want. Some of us have to analyze these situations within the framework of the laws as they exist, not how we want them to be. Others of us have to think through these scenarios because we want to be sure we return home to our families every night but also don’t want to unnecessarily kill someone and risk being taken away from our families and prosecuted for murder.
But, yeah, ra ra, another thief is dead. FAFO
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 7:48 am
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:42 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Others of us have to think through these scenarios because we want to be sure we return home to our families every night but also don’t want to unnecessarily kill someone and risk being taken away from our families and prosecuted for murder.
Wow, what absolutely ridiculous idiocy.
So, because you “don’t want to unnecessarily kill someone and risk being taken away”….
you would instead let the potential killer possibly kill you and PREVENT YOU from ever seeing your family again? Just because you made a determination in a 2-3 second span that the asswipe was no threat to you whatsoever? Despite the fact that the asswipe was hooded in Vegas in the summer and JUMPED OVER THE FRICKING COUNTER?
Really?
Seriously, really?
Now that I think about it, you might just be doing your family a huge favor by reacting the way you think the owner should have.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:45 am to rt3
Maybe stores should take out the cameras.
That way its your word against the dead guy.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:07 am to Breauxsif
Old Testament, primal, Yes, could the man say he feared for his life? Absolutely! Not Guilty, should get a key to the city!
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:21 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Our stabber has to articulate a reasonable belief that pin cushion was going to use an unlawful force against a person present in the place of business.
If you break into my house or start stealing my stuff, it is reasonable for me to believe that you do not intend to leave witnesses.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:34 am to GusAU
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Now that I think about it, you might just be doing your family a huge favor by reacting the way you think the owner should have.
Personal attacks and lack of ability to discuss nuance.
Hooded and jumps counter = full unqualified justification to kill, apparently.
So then I started blasting…
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:47 am to JG77056
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Well the kid lived so I doubt it.
Rekieta's currently on vacation out of the country so I'm sure he hasn't read the whole story and just saw the clips that are posted on social media and assumed the robber had died
point being... lawyers (who viciously defended the likes of Kyle Rittenhouse) thinks the store clerk very well may have major legal trouble due to this incident
Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:01 am to rt3
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lawyers (who viciously defended the likes of Kyle Rittenhouse) thinks the store clerk very well may have major legal trouble due to this incident
Well the families of those lawyers deserve to lose them too.
-GusAU, probably
Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:24 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Imagine security or police getting to shoot every thief trying to run out of Walmart. Fun to think about, but not legal.
An innocent clerk feeling his life threatened as he's rushed at by a masked guy who jumps the counter.. should have the same wherewithal as trained security guards and police who are just chasing a theft suspect?
I'm sure the clerk probably wouldn't have given a frick if the guy just stole something from the shelves and then ran out.
Even trained police would use deadly force if a random guy charges at them and is holding something that could contain a gun or knife.
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