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re: Fox Sports Marcellus Wiley says it’s not guns, it’s about people

Posted on 6/2/22 at 10:56 am to
Posted by DiscountedCashFlow
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 10:56 am to
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You posted that the murder rate for white non-Hispanic Americans is 4 times higher than the murder rate for France. I didn’t see your link or source - what is it?


LINK

Page 12.

It's old but it's the closest data I could find.

When this data came out, France's murder rate was around 1.5 homicides per 100,000. The US non-hispanic white homicide offending rate was 4.7 per 100,000 at the time.

LINK

France's homicide rate has declined slightly from 2005 and the same with the US but these figures roughly demonstrate that the murder rate for American non-hispanic whites is higher than the French homicide rate by a significant margin.

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How does the answer to #1 compare to how many people defend themselves with a recently purchased gun? My guess is it’s a lot more than the number of murders committed with recently purchased guns.


A waiting period would just be one measure.

The study says that around 2000 lives in total would be saved from gun homicides every year, which is small but I would argue it's still a reduction.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 10:57 am
Posted by GhostofLesticleMiles
High Plains Drifter
Member since Sep 2019
957 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:18 am to
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France's homicide rate has declined slightly from 2005 and the same with the US but these figures roughly demonstrate that the murder rate for American non-hispanic whites is higher than the French homicide rate by a significant margin.


So these are homicides with guns and we are only singling out non-hispanic whites?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18170 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:20 pm to
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LINK

Page 12.

It's old but it's the closest data I could find.

When this data came out, France's murder rate was around 1.5 homicides per 100,000. The US non-hispanic white homicide offending rate was 4.7 per 100,000 at the time.

You don't write like you're dim. I think you're probably pretty bright, so I assume you know the games you're playing with these statistics.

Page 12 presents offender data for whites, blacks and others. Yet you're using this data in support of an argument that US non-Hispanic white homicide offending rate was 4.7 per 100,000 during the period.

And I'm not sure why you're grabbing data that goes back to 2005. I think it's reasonable to not consider data from the last two years during the Democrat-fueled violence campaign, but there's data for late last decade.

Let's start with data from your second link -

From 2010 thru 2016, France's average homicide rate was 1.3 per 100K. For the same period, the US's homicide rate was 4.8 per 100K. We know something north of 50% of homicide offenders in the US are black and that the black population is about 13% of the total. Removing murders perpetrated by blacks and the black population from US stats, you're left with, over that period, an average of 2.8 white (including Hispanic) offenders per 100,000 whites (including Hispanic). So before removing the Hispanic murder/offender stats from the "white" category, we're already way outside your suggestion that the murder rate for "white non-Hispanic Americans" is 4 times greater than France's murder rate.

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A waiting period would just be one measure.

The study says that around 2000 lives in total would be saved from gun homicides every year, which is small but I would argue it's still a reduction.

Please tell me you know how retarded this "study" is.

In normal/recent times (before Dems started encouraging violent crime a few years ago), there were 15K-to-17K murders per year. The "2000 lives being saved by a 5-day waiting period" would require that, what, 3,000 murders per year are committed with firearms purchased within the previous 5-days? No fricking way is that even close. Seriously, if this was happening every single person in America would know it because it would be talked about every day on every news channel and by every Dem and half of the Rep politicians.

And you ignored the very important point about the people that defend themselves with recently purchased weapons. Why?
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