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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:28 am to
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:28 am to
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What they need is serious diplomatic efforts in the West to find a way to get Russia to agree to some sort of peace the Ukrainians can live with Find a way? Yes, surrender. There is nothing that indicates that Russia is going to stop the invasion that began ten years ago.


Darth claims to be neutral and looking at this from a historical perspective. However, he only follows pro-Russia leaning sources like Big Serge. Therefore his analysis is flawed but like most historians he will not admit it. Those pro-Russian leaning sources have switched from saying that Russia is going to completely defeat Ukraine to saying that Ukraine can’t defeat Russia therefore it should make peace. Darth claims are a reflection of that. That is why he scampers away when asked how he expects the two sides to come to a deal when one side is saying that it will only agree to start peace talks once Ukraine completely surrenders. That is unacceptable to Ukraine right now. There is no way for Ukraine and Russia can come to a peace deal that both sides can live with right now.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36297 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:35 am to
I haven’t seen any indications that Russia will compromise in any way. And why should they?
To settle for less would mean Putin wasted the lives of tens of thousands of Russians for half a loaf?
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 8:36 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64920 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:57 am to
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Darth claims to be neutral and looking at this from a historical perspective. However, he only follows pro-Russia leaning sources like Big Serge


You’re wrong kid. But by claiming this it allows you to continue to refuse to accept the reality of the situation. I follow sources from both sides of this war because I fully understand that propaganda is a weapon of war being used by both sides. The only way to come close to understanding the true nature of the war is to look at what both sides are saying, sift though the BS, and come to a conclusion based on your best educated guess given the limited amount of information available.

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Therefore his analysis is flawed but like most historians he will not admit it.


When have I made a claim on this war that has proven wrong? I’m still the same as I’ve been since the start of this war, namely a strictly neutral observer, giving my opinion based solely on my knowledge of military & political history and strategy based on over 40 years of deep study on both subjects. I have no emotional attachment for either Russia or Ukraine. If anything, I’m far more anti-Russia than I am pro-Ukraine, based on the fact I was taught from Childhood in the 1970s that Russia is our enemy. I have no desire to see the Russians win this war.

But I also have to give my honest assessment of the situation. And that assessment is it’s a physical impossibility for Ukraine to push Russia out of its borders. And in fact, the longer this war continues, the deeper into Ukraine Russia will push. And if the war is allowed to go on long enough, Ukraine faces military collapse. The time has come for Ukraine to find an off-ramp to this war because there is no way left to it for them to favorably influence the outcome by means of armed resistance. Each day that passes, their situation will worsen. The time has come for the Western Powers, to use diplomacy to put pressure on Russia to come to the table and negotiate in an earnest manner. Will it be easy? No. It will require statecraft on a level thus far seemingly absent in Western leaders. But when the alternative is eventual collapse on the part of Ukraine, it’s the best hope for some sort of acceptable peace.

I don’t say this because it’s the outcome I want. I say that because it’s reality. It’s the reality that’s playing out right now. You see the same reports I do. Even the most pro-Ukrainian sources report daily of Russian gains. Just yesterday I posted an article from the Kyiv Post where the top Ukrainian commander openly admits they’re already in trouble. I’m sorry this pains you. But all you accomplish when you make asinine posts attacking me as some sort of pro-Russian stooge is to make yourself look like a complete arse.
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