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The transfer portal will make recruiting obsolete.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:22 pm
So far everything has gone the player's way (which is fine). NIL, transfer portal, no penalty season.
However, as with everything in life, the negatives start to appear when things go too far. One thing I foresee happening is the transfer portal and the current transfer rules (if they stand), will make recruiting and all the hoopla that surround it obsolete.
Yes - there will always be the need for basic recruiting needed to be done by coaches but now schools will recruit athletes more based on NIL and ability to make $$.
Secondly - if I'm a coach, I'm not going to go grovel in an 18 yr old's living room any more, especially if there's a chance he bolts in a year anyway. And if he does, no big deal. . . i can just go the transfer portal and have my pick of as many free agents I want. Kids can kiss those ridiculous "commitment ceremonies" goodbye. . they will be meaningless.
Tell me why I'm wrong.
However, as with everything in life, the negatives start to appear when things go too far. One thing I foresee happening is the transfer portal and the current transfer rules (if they stand), will make recruiting and all the hoopla that surround it obsolete.
Yes - there will always be the need for basic recruiting needed to be done by coaches but now schools will recruit athletes more based on NIL and ability to make $$.
Secondly - if I'm a coach, I'm not going to go grovel in an 18 yr old's living room any more, especially if there's a chance he bolts in a year anyway. And if he does, no big deal. . . i can just go the transfer portal and have my pick of as many free agents I want. Kids can kiss those ridiculous "commitment ceremonies" goodbye. . they will be meaningless.
Tell me why I'm wrong.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:25 pm to TigerFan244
I agree with you in general but won't coaches still have to grovel for kids in the transfer portal? I don't see playing to these kids egos going away any time soon. If anything NIL would inflate that not suppress it.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:25 pm to TigerFan244
You’re not. It’s the truth.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:27 pm to TigerFan244
Well... The flip side of that (and you are right) is that these dudes are sooner or later gonna have to earn the transfer. "I was a 5* three years ago!" ain't gonna earn you shite at the next stop if you didn't do shite for your first $hundred-fiddy large. It will be interesting...
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:37 pm to TigerFan244
The portal will change recruiting, but not eliminate it. There will continue to be a huge premium on QBs in recruiting as the college game becomes more like the NFL. Alabama has had three straight Heisman caliber QBs. Mac Jones didn’t win it, but will arguably be the best NFL QB.
Talent evaluation is at a premium now for portal players. Much NFL talent is developed after high school (late bloomers) and the ability to identify that talent in the portal will be critical. One issue we’re seeing this year is tampering, in other words, recruiting players from other teams to enter the portal. That’s the biggest issue with the portal. If the tampering can be controlled, then recruiting the right players combined with good coaching, superior talent evaluation, and player develop will be most important going forward.
Talent evaluation is at a premium now for portal players. Much NFL talent is developed after high school (late bloomers) and the ability to identify that talent in the portal will be critical. One issue we’re seeing this year is tampering, in other words, recruiting players from other teams to enter the portal. That’s the biggest issue with the portal. If the tampering can be controlled, then recruiting the right players combined with good coaching, superior talent evaluation, and player develop will be most important going forward.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:43 pm to TigerFan244
Things change. Rules will be updated. Coaches will adapt.
Acting like today is the constant going forward is incorrect.
Acting like today is the constant going forward is incorrect.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:54 pm to TigerFan244
Lots of high end kids transferring from Alabama?
Can we just go pluck a first rounder from them?
Oh yeah, kids making money and running up stats don’t transfer.
Can we just go pluck a first rounder from them?
Oh yeah, kids making money and running up stats don’t transfer.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:56 pm to TigerFan244
Yeah I mean Bama and Texas A&M can just sit back now and let everybody else take the risk on some players , and if they pan out get in their ear offer them money.Then they can just leave without reason to the transfer portal.Seems like a great idea.Whoever is running the NCAA should be kicked in the nuts for being a dumbass.Now you can recruit,then if players don’t pan out you tell them there is no place for them,then just steal players from your rivals to fill holes.Lovely
Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:09 pm to TigerFan244
You’re wrong because most of the kids who transfer are not good
Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:22 pm to TigerFan244
Coaches still have to establish relationships with players and their families. When a good player who didn’t win the starting position in spring camp, like Joe Burrow, goes looking for a new spot, it will help any coach that spent the time in that kid’s living room.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:40 pm to TigerFan244
It won’t ever become obsolete. You can’t rely on the portal every year because you have limited information and time to build relationships with those guys. Most high school recruits have gotten to know coaches for 2-3 years. You still have to build your team with high school guys like the NFL does with the draft. The portal is the free agency component.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 11:23 pm to TigerFan244
You still have to play football
Posted on 12/17/21 at 11:41 pm to TigerFan244
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This post was edited on 12/18/21 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 12/18/21 at 4:47 am to TigerFan244
Won't make it obsolete, but it does minimize it some
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:41 am to TigerFan244
You are not wrong except that now coaches will take the director of the TAF who’ll hand the recruit’s family a copy of a bank statement and walk through the player’s salary escalators based on playing time, # of touchdowns scored, all-American awards, etc. it literally is free agency. Amateur athletics is over. However, very soon someone will figure out that even NFL free agents sign 2-3 year contracts and can’t just move around at Will. Also, the NFL salary cap strives for parity which leads to more interest (hope), tv revenue, etc. college football was already suffering a bit from the monotony of yearly Bama / Clemson / Ohio State dominance. People are going to tune out. They are already not sitting in stadiums at all or for the whole game
Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:29 am to TigerFan244
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Tell me why I'm wrong.
Because the entire thing is completely out of balance and it’s eventually going to be dialed back because of that. The current setup isn’t sustainable. The portal will eventually be restrained by more rules and regulations to slow the flow of players out of programs. It’s creating too much instability to keep the majority of teams happy.
As for recruiting, it’s short-sighted to think there eventually won’t be a correction back in the direction of at least an even balance of recruiting and the portal. Personally, I think it’s more likely recruiting still ends up being the primary source of players for more major programs.
Just take a look at the NBA in the 90s and early 2000s for a good example of how corrections work. First there was a run on taking guys right out of high school based on a couple of home runs in Kobe and Kevin Garnett. However, even before the one and done rules change that prevented taking high school players, GMs had already started backing off because contracts are guaranteed and there were just too many huge misses to justify the risk.
Then it was foreign basketball players. People wondered just how far the balance would shift as foreign guys filled the draft lottery for 2 or 3 years in the 2000s. There are still several foreign guys taken in each draft class, but it’s nothing like that initial surge where everyone was searching for the next Dirk or Pau Gasol. Too many guys were busts and products of poor scouting and the market corrected again.
College football will find balance, as well. Once coaches figure out that you can’t build entire rosters and sustain consistent success depending on the portal, the pendulum will swing back. A great coach is always going to do better building a program’s foundation with their own 4 to 5 year guys and then supplement that with the portal to fill holes and bring in instant impact players.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:56 am to TigerFan244
As much as I dislike him, Saban was pounding the drums about just this back when all this started through the court systems. He warned against exactly what is happening now. That he is now taking full advantage of this new system is just to his credit. A safe bet is that he had bama's NIL staff & connections with big bama boosters up & running mths ago. As Kiffen put it last mth, Saban has his draft system & now free agency system well oiled.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 10:28 am to TigerFan244
They need to be free agents and be able to go where the money is. They are not students and are not interested in education. The schools make millions off of them and that revenue should be shared. It’s all about money and the players are the revenue producers.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 10:32 am to TigerFan244
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Yes - there will always be the need for basic recruiting needed to be done by coaches but now schools will recruit athletes more based on NIL and ability to make $$.
So you just negated your own point right here? And only a small minority of the 85+ players on the team will receive lucrative NIL deals (IF they play for a major program, no players on Toledo are getting any NIL deal worth mentioning). This is another case of fans here thinking the world of the top 10 programs applies to everyone.
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Secondly - if I'm a coach, I'm not going to go grovel in an 18 yr old's living room any more, especially if there's a chance he bolts in a year anyway.
Well you wouldn't win much then. You still want the first crack at the guy if you're trying to build a championship program, not hope you can get him in the TP in a year or two.
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And if he does, no big deal. . . i can just go the transfer portal and have my pick of as many free agents I want.
The top programs aren't going to be dependent on the transfer portal, and you can't sign an unlimited number of players from the TP.
People have been saying CFB is doomed for over 100 years. People thought that paying athlete's room and board would ruin the game.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 10:59 am to TigerFan244
You should have heard the recruiting gurus go off on this shite this week. So far…
Portal people are going to get burned as too many of them
High school kids getting screwed as not enough Scholarships as teams holding a bunch for potential portal guy
NIL Was supposed to be a reward for players that had cheap something instead of just being used as an extra recruiting incentive you guys are getting paid millions of dollars that I’ve never taken a snap.
so effectively the messages were sending is get paid as much as you can right now, don’t worry about hard work or treatment they don’t matter, and as soon as you have the least bit of adversity a competition quick go to the portal and find an easier place to play, and as soon as you so any ability whatsoever quit and head after the NFL or you can make more money. So essentially we are reinforcing a message that the whole world is here just to serve these kids.
Saban was right this is a disaster. I am sure this is going to turn out really well .
Portal people are going to get burned as too many of them
High school kids getting screwed as not enough Scholarships as teams holding a bunch for potential portal guy
NIL Was supposed to be a reward for players that had cheap something instead of just being used as an extra recruiting incentive you guys are getting paid millions of dollars that I’ve never taken a snap.
so effectively the messages were sending is get paid as much as you can right now, don’t worry about hard work or treatment they don’t matter, and as soon as you have the least bit of adversity a competition quick go to the portal and find an easier place to play, and as soon as you so any ability whatsoever quit and head after the NFL or you can make more money. So essentially we are reinforcing a message that the whole world is here just to serve these kids.
Saban was right this is a disaster. I am sure this is going to turn out really well .
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