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Should the Big 10 rearrange their divisions?
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:15 pm
The Big 10 West is 0-7 in the B10 championship with soon to be 0-8. I might be wrong, but it feels like Iowa & Wisconsin are the host in most of them.
Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, & Penn State being in the same division is unreal. Which of these teams would you switch with in the West?
Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, & Penn State being in the same division is unreal. Which of these teams would you switch with in the West?
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:17 pm to DVontel
Bring back the Leaders and Legends divisions
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:18 pm to DVontel
And Nebraska is routinely at the bottom of the West.
Sad.
Sad.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:22 pm to DVontel
they could at least put pennst in the west.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:24 pm to Irish Knuckles
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they could at least put pennst in the west.
Nothing screams,"West", like teams from State of Pennsylvania
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:24 pm to DVontel
They don't need to do anything w/divisions. The West will eventually get a few.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:27 pm to red sox fan 13
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Bring back the Leaders and Legends divisions
That was far more balanced but they missed out on adding UT and OU.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:27 pm to stlslick
none of the other competitive teams in the east make any sense either. can't just bust up michst, ohiost and mich.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:28 pm to DVontel
Hopefully the SEC rearranges, too.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:31 pm to DVontel
The way they do almost ensures their playoff contender from the East gets a “quality” win to end the season.
The SEC East is 1-12 in the last 13 now too.
The SEC East is 1-12 in the last 13 now too.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:55 am to DVontel
SEC West is 12-1 against the East since 2008
Posted on 12/5/21 at 2:04 am to Gaggle
Chryst just needs to fire his buddies on staff and there is no reason UW can't be at a similar level to current UM.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 2:52 am to DVontel
It's lopsided. So was/is the SEC West tho, no?
Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska and Minnesota are legit programs these days and NW always jumps up. Purdue has life. You could easily find 3 top 25 teams in a given year. They're very "Pac 12ish" in that they eat each other and because of that have accepted mediocrity.
Wisconsin, Minnesota and Nebraska, at least, under the right coach, could be a consistent threat. Iowa is, I think, basically maxed out and due for a big fall as soon as Ferentz goes.
And hear me out- There are approaching 6 million people in Wisconsin and Minnesota. Those areas, including the Dakotas, are extremely powerful in the lower tiers of football. Between the Dakotas, Minnesota and Wisconsin, you're talking around 13, 14 million people in the upper midwest and 2 programs. Maybe 16 million and 3 if you include Nebraska. Yeah, it's not AS talent rich but if you've ever spent any time in the area- There are a bunch of large, large men out there. A lot of it comes down to a complete lack of spring and summer ball. There isn't anywhere near the full time development you see elsewhere, and that's what really speaks.
There's a way for them to be good. It's just old timey, grindy football, and they need to find a way to make that attractive to kids that might be 3rd or 4th choices down south. They've just been bad at recruiting, and they aren't doing much locally to take big kids who can barely tie their own shoes and teaching them to play ball.
They can though. They're not lacking on money. Wisconsin is RICH. Minnesota could be if they got their shite together for a decade. They could go dollar to dollar with anyone in the right situation. They have real, large fanbases. The ingredients are there. The West shouldn't be as weak as it is, except Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan can recruit nationally because of past success while those schools need to break through (or in Nebraska and Minnesota's cases re-break through).
tldr; It's more likely Wisconsin, Nebraska or Minnesota will be REALLY fricking good than, say, South Carolina.
Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska and Minnesota are legit programs these days and NW always jumps up. Purdue has life. You could easily find 3 top 25 teams in a given year. They're very "Pac 12ish" in that they eat each other and because of that have accepted mediocrity.
Wisconsin, Minnesota and Nebraska, at least, under the right coach, could be a consistent threat. Iowa is, I think, basically maxed out and due for a big fall as soon as Ferentz goes.
And hear me out- There are approaching 6 million people in Wisconsin and Minnesota. Those areas, including the Dakotas, are extremely powerful in the lower tiers of football. Between the Dakotas, Minnesota and Wisconsin, you're talking around 13, 14 million people in the upper midwest and 2 programs. Maybe 16 million and 3 if you include Nebraska. Yeah, it's not AS talent rich but if you've ever spent any time in the area- There are a bunch of large, large men out there. A lot of it comes down to a complete lack of spring and summer ball. There isn't anywhere near the full time development you see elsewhere, and that's what really speaks.
There's a way for them to be good. It's just old timey, grindy football, and they need to find a way to make that attractive to kids that might be 3rd or 4th choices down south. They've just been bad at recruiting, and they aren't doing much locally to take big kids who can barely tie their own shoes and teaching them to play ball.
They can though. They're not lacking on money. Wisconsin is RICH. Minnesota could be if they got their shite together for a decade. They could go dollar to dollar with anyone in the right situation. They have real, large fanbases. The ingredients are there. The West shouldn't be as weak as it is, except Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan can recruit nationally because of past success while those schools need to break through (or in Nebraska and Minnesota's cases re-break through).
tldr; It's more likely Wisconsin, Nebraska or Minnesota will be REALLY fricking good than, say, South Carolina.
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 12/5/21 at 7:11 am to AUCE05
quote:Probably will have to with Oklahoma and Texas coming in. Send Alabama and Auburn to the east and bring Mizzou to the west
Hopefully the SEC rearranges, too.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 7:53 am to TomRollTideRitter
IMO it's more likely Wisconsin, Nebraska or Minnesota puts together a team of super seniors in the trenches with some carefully scouted 3 and low 4 stars that can compete with almost anyone than it is teams outside the privileged few jump and snag one of the SEC elite when it matters.
LSU, Bama, Georgia, Florida when they stop fricking around- Monster programs. Aggie, Texas, Oklahoma all can be there too though the new SEC will self suppress so some are going to look like dogshit for periods of time.
The B1G West, if they could figure out the recruiting pitch, is full of money monsters and large fanbases. More people give a shite about Minnesota/Wisconsin than Alabama/Tennessee, and that's with Bama riding as high as it's ever been. Aside Iowa, which has a minor split with ISU, the core of the Big Ten West are single university, single fanbase states that just haven't got their shite together recently. There are significantly more people in Minnesota and Wisconsin than Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi combined. Two teams, and not messing with all the rando lower tier FBS teams in the area.
And they aren't as far off as some would think. Minnesota battered a vaunted Auburn defensive front until they cried for mercy, icing a game that wasn't as close as the score with an 8 minute drive. I think they're on 3 or 4 straight bowl wins now. Wisconsin's dumpstered a few teams. Auburn, Miami a few times, USC. Are they ready for a cream of the crop SEC team at its best? No. But they aren't as far off as you'd think.
LSU, Bama, Georgia, Florida when they stop fricking around- Monster programs. Aggie, Texas, Oklahoma all can be there too though the new SEC will self suppress so some are going to look like dogshit for periods of time.
The B1G West, if they could figure out the recruiting pitch, is full of money monsters and large fanbases. More people give a shite about Minnesota/Wisconsin than Alabama/Tennessee, and that's with Bama riding as high as it's ever been. Aside Iowa, which has a minor split with ISU, the core of the Big Ten West are single university, single fanbase states that just haven't got their shite together recently. There are significantly more people in Minnesota and Wisconsin than Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi combined. Two teams, and not messing with all the rando lower tier FBS teams in the area.
And they aren't as far off as some would think. Minnesota battered a vaunted Auburn defensive front until they cried for mercy, icing a game that wasn't as close as the score with an 8 minute drive. I think they're on 3 or 4 straight bowl wins now. Wisconsin's dumpstered a few teams. Auburn, Miami a few times, USC. Are they ready for a cream of the crop SEC team at its best? No. But they aren't as far off as you'd think.
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:08 am to TomRollTideRitter
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The SEC East is 1-12 in the last 13 now too.
And yet the West only leads the overall series 18-12.
I don’t think any teams in the Big 10 West can have programs sustain success like UF and UT did and beat the teams of the Big 10 East to make even remotely even.
Quite frankly most of the lopsided results in the SEC W are because of Bamas domination over everyone in the league.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:09 am to DVontel
That's why divisions are not needed.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:15 am to wablty
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More people give a shite about Minnesota/Wisconsin than Alabama/Tennessee
Minnesota can’t fill a 50K seat stadium. Just having people doesn’t mean they care, and no one who grows up in an SEC state is going to pass up an SEC offer to play at Minnesota.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:02 am to TomRollTideRitter
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and no one who grows up in an SEC state is going to pass up an SEC
offer to play at Minnesota.
penn state and ohio state can recruit locally at top tier.
no big10 west team has high recruits.
thats a head start that lsu florida texas georgia and Mississippi have.
joe namath came to bama from western pa.
theres no western pa level football recruiting in nebraska iowa or minnesota or wisconsin.
do rivals on big ten west teams.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:18 am to stlslick
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Nothing screams,"West", like teams from State of Pennsylvania
Like Missouri in the east?
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