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Big 12 will never make it for the long hall
Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:28 am
Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:28 am
As long as Texas is only out for itself it will never make it. Texas saying they are willing to share revenue for T.V. etc except for anything coming from the Longhorn network is a deal breaker in the long run for the rest of the schools. If Texas wants to be independent the Big 12 should just tell them to go be independent and good luck with that. And move on. That conference will not make it because the institutions can not put the conference ahead of individual gain. This is unlike the SEC, PAC 12 or BIG 10/12. The Big 12 had a chance at a conference network just like other conferences but the schools were so greedy they couldn't see the forest for the trees. So now they have this mess created by Texas and ESPN.
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Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:34 am to texastigerr
There is no doubt that they are a sinking ship. I knew that the moment that Nebraska left. They are down to 9 teams, and OU, OSU, and Mizzou all want out. Plus, Texas' arrogance and bullying have been put in the national spotlight which makes them less than attractive for any decent programs that they want to fill vacancies.
I think that all Texas wants is to keep it strong enough that it doesn't loose its AQ status. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac 12 all turned them down because of the LHN, so they have no place to go.
It couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.
I think that all Texas wants is to keep it strong enough that it doesn't loose its AQ status. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac 12 all turned them down because of the LHN, so they have no place to go.
It couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:35 am to daboman of Aggieland
OU needs to go get Texas' ACC bid
Texas needs to go independent since that's what they've created inhouse with the LHN
Texas needs to go independent since that's what they've created inhouse with the LHN
Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:46 am to nicholastiger
Texas wants independent money (i.e. LHN) plus AQ conference money. Their greed and arrogance has driven off NU, CU, and A&M. Now that we aren't affected by it, more power to them. No program with any pride (which excludes Baylor) is going to put up with their shite.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:58 am to texastigerr
I too think the Big 12-3 is a dead man walking. However, I don't think the deal breaker is the LHN sharing revenue aspect - UT should keep all of the revenue from the LHN - it's their network - good for them. However, they should not buy off conference teams and have conference games on the network - they should not be able to discuss or show HS games/ highlights on the network - that's the issue.
I just can't believe OU agreed to allow this and go back to Big 12-3 - that's just sad on their part. They simply must not believe they can survive without UT for some reason or another.
A&M, Neb and Colorado all had guts to get away from the arrogance of UT. I've heard UT fans here actually think they could get Ark, Utah and others to join the Big 12 - That is just laughable to me.
I have Fios and the LHN is very well done and something that UT should be very proud of – but for them to pay off Fox and get Kansas to agree to a conference game then to talk and show HS game highlights – that give them a big advantage plus take money that was set for the conference and places it into their pockets – not a good thing from a partnership perspective.
I just can't believe OU agreed to allow this and go back to Big 12-3 - that's just sad on their part. They simply must not believe they can survive without UT for some reason or another.
A&M, Neb and Colorado all had guts to get away from the arrogance of UT. I've heard UT fans here actually think they could get Ark, Utah and others to join the Big 12 - That is just laughable to me.
I have Fios and the LHN is very well done and something that UT should be very proud of – but for them to pay off Fox and get Kansas to agree to a conference game then to talk and show HS game highlights – that give them a big advantage plus take money that was set for the conference and places it into their pockets – not a good thing from a partnership perspective.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:03 pm to Dice
*haul
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:51 pm to Dice
In the end Texas will have created their own isolation. The conferences that they would want to go to do not need them ie. PAC 12, BIG 10/12, ACC or SEC. If the Big 12 thinks it can reconstitute itself then in my opinion they should do so without Texas. Send Texas to their independence with their $300,000,000 from LHN/ESPN and create a BIG 12 network that shows Big 12 events just like the other conferences do, share revenue equally and invite some other teams to expand the conference. Teams they should invite? TCU, BYU, Houston, Boise State. You want a real conference that isn't a gimme every year for one team to have one tough game and then run the table as long as you win that one game most seasons? This is how you do it. Let's face it the intrigue and interest in the SEC every year is that there is a legitimate chance every season that the conference champion could be one of several teams. And it is going to become even more true over the next few seasons. Georgia will be back, so will UT, SC is there, Auburn will rebuild, MSU is getting better all of the time and none of this at the expense of any other team in the conference. As these teams improve other teams like LSU, Bama, Arky, Florida do not get worse. Just makes for a better, more interesting and the most competitive conference in college football.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 1:14 pm to texastigerr
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As long as Texas is only out for itself it will never make it. Texas saying they are willing to share revenue for T.V. etc except for anything coming from the Longhorn network is a deal breaker in the long run for the rest of the schools. If Texas wants to be independent the Big 12 should just tell them to go be independent and good luck with that.
For the billionth time, every Big 12 member voted for schools to be able to retain their 3rd tier rights and to do with them as they please (just like the SEC & ACC)......A&M, OU, Mizzou.......they all voted for this rule which allowed for the creation of the LHN.
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OU needs to go get Texas' ACC bid
ACC would say no for the same reason the Big 10 and the Pac 12 turned them down - academics.
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However, they should not buy off conference teams and have conference games on the network - they should not be able to discuss or show HS games/ highlights on the network - that's the issue.
The LHN as not shown and will not show any HS football games or highlights. Regarding conference members on the LHN, they can't be put on LHN unless they agree to it. In fact, DeLoss Dodds said he would agree to never broadcasting conference members if that would get A&M to stay but the aggies still said no.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 1:31 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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The LHN as not shown and will not show any HS football games or highlights. Regarding conference members on the LHN, they can't be put on LHN unless they agree to it. In fact, DeLoss Dodds said he would agree to never broadcasting conference members if that would get A&M to stay but the aggies still said no.
Drunk you are sir. Revenue from the LHN has nothing to do with any of this - UT already earned the most of any school out there so that was a non-issue. The problem is what ESPN and UT has "tried" to do with the LHN after what was agreed to and their unwillingness to change their stance until teams started leaving. This has been going on a lot longer than just this year.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 2:04 pm to texastigerr
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Big 12 will never make it for the long hall
Good.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 2:10 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
Posted on 9/22/11 at 3:49 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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For the billionth time, every Big 12 member voted
Yep, I'm sure there were no strings attached either.
Texas has never done anything wrong, everyone else is just jealous.
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 9/22/11 at 5:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
UT and UT fans should just admit it. They don't care about the Big 12, they don't care if it survives, they only care about UT. The only reason they ACT like they care now is because they are finding out that no other conference needs them or is willing to put up with them. They overestimated their popularity by other conferences and now they really have no where to go. So they are back peddling and acting like they want to keep the Big 12 together lest they become an independent which is what they should just do anyway because that is how they are acting. They want to be an independent and have the benefits of being in a conference. Only the Big 12 is dumb enough to put up with that.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:02 pm to texastigerr
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Texas saying they are willing to share revenue for T.V. etc except for anything coming from the Longhorn network is a deal breaker in the long run for the rest of the schools
So, should LSU share revenue from its Tiger Vision?
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:19 pm to LSUisjustOK
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So, should LSU share revenue from its Tiger Vision?
So you're trying to compare a "network" that telecasts one three hour football game a year with a Disney/Texas collaborated 24/7 television network? I've said enough.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:22 pm to LSUisjustOK
If the SEC wanted to start an SEC network (and it will) LSU would gladly do away w/it's 3rd tier rights
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:28 pm to daboman of Aggieland
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So you're trying to compare a "network" that telecasts one three hour football game a year with a Disney/Texas collaborated 24/7 television network?
Yep. Both are selling their school's third tier rights for the most money they can make from them. It's fairly simple.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:30 pm to Big Kat
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If the SEC wanted to start an SEC network (and it will) LSU would gladly do away w/it's 3rd tier rights
Only if the SEC network offered them more money. Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:34 pm to LSUisjustOK
I disagree. It's funny that you can't even grasp the concept of what it means to be a member of a conference :smh:
Posted on 9/23/11 at 12:41 am to Big Kat
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I disagree.
that's because you are stupid and do not understand how universities work.
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It's funny that you can't even grasp the concept of what it means to be a member of a conference
Yes, and I've also never been a part of a circle jerk, and I'm perfectly ok with it.
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