re: You ever feel like there's just a giant dumpster fire incoming?

Nice straw man dipshit. It's not that Alleva didn't hire a NC coach in every sport, it's that every hire he has made has caused that particular sport to drop off. Trent Johnson replaced a coach that won multiple SEC championships and had a final four. He made the tourney once. Jones replaced Johnson who did at least win the SEC once, and we have not even sniffed that under Jones.

He hired Caldwell in women's basketball and that program has gone from top 10 to bottom of the the conference.

It's not about winning a NC in every sport it is about maintaining and increasing the level of success in each sport with each new hire. He has failed miserably at that.

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What if O is very successful next season? Is the the school still being run in an incompetent manner?

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If Orgeron is successful enough to contend to win the SEC or better I will be very surprised but I think most reasonable people will say Alleva was extremely lucky. And for this, and how he has run LSU basketball, and how he handled Duke athletics he deserves to be fired as soon as possible.

The lesson Saban should have taught everyone is the process being important. Alleva shunned normal protocol and did not hire an external group to conduct a normal search for the best available coaches. It was the combination of this absence of process combined with his inability to anticipate Fisher and Herman wanting as much money as possible that resulted in him considering only three major candidates. That is simply unacceptable for a major football program.

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The athletic director conducted no proper search

And you know this because everything LSU did was released to the public as soon as if not before it happened?

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We know that because he said "I am the search". Because he did not hire an external group to do a search as is normal in this situation.

I do think Herman is obviously more qualified than Orgeron but I'm not stuck on Herman so much as of the opinion that there are dozens of college football coaches who have better resumes than Orgeron.

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seems clear Alleva didn't even bother to read up on Orgeron's history from his positive reaction to the binder (clearly never read Meat Market).

Alleva was probably around the team every day. I'm sure he could walk down and check out practices and notice the difference in the team from when Les was leading them. CEO probably didn't even need a binder when Alleva looked over Herman's second season results again

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This is a distraction argument. It is unacceptable to reveal (by his comments) that he had not prepared by researching one of his few major candidates. An obvious starting point would have been reading.

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If you are a real football program you don't hire a coach who will be hugely dependent upon great coordinators to succeed.

LSU did

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Yeah, that's why so many people are so angry. We hired a guy with a history of being a bad head coach and without the expertise to cover for deficiencies on offense or defense.

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Losing to ranked opponents is somehow worse than losing to unranked teams that you are favored to beat by large margins?

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Orgeron has you covered if you want examples of losing to unranked teams. He just lacks good wins to balance those out and make you think he might be any good.


9/15/2007 @ *Vanderbilt (5-7) L 17 31
10/13/2007 vs. *Alabama (7-6) L 24 27
10/20/2007 vs. *Arkansas (8-5) L 8 44
11/23/2007 @ *Mississippi State (8-5) L 14 17
9/16/2006 @ *Kentucky (8-5) L 14 31
10/14/2006 @ *Alabama (6-7) L 23 26
9/17/2005 @ *Vanderbilt (5-6) L 23 31
10/1/2005 @ *Tennessee (5-6) L 10 27
10/22/2005 vs. *Kentucky (3-8) W 13 7
11/12/2005 vs. *Arkansas (4-7) L 17 28
11/26/2005 @ *Mississippi State (3-8) L 14 35
9/9/2006 @ Missouri (8-5) L 7 34
9/24/2005 vs. Wyoming (4-7) L 14 24

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If you're SCARED, say you're SCARED.

Must suck to be a scared little bitch all the time.

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Not scared. I'm just watching it burn. Got my marshmallows ready

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I think most reasonable people will say Alleva was extremely lucky.

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No, you and the other Herman cronies would say that. Reasonable people saw the LSU games this season and saw how much better the team looked after CEO took over. Pull against LSU though, not everyone can be a fan of the program.

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how he handled Duke athletics he deserves to be fired as soon as possible

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You do like to live in the past. Fire Orgeron, he didn't do that good at Ole Miss 10 years ago.

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The lesson Saban should have taught everyone is the process being important

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Well the Bama band wagon is wide open, jump on dude.

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Alleva shunned normal protocol and did not hire an external group to conduct a normal search for the best available coaches

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Yeah, hiring consultants for a lot of money is always the best way to go. Did you turn in your TPS report.

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It was the combination of this absence of process combined with his inability to anticipate Fisher and Herman wanting as much money as possible that resulted in him considering only three major candidates. That is simply unacceptable for a major football program.

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No, he anticipated Fisher wanting the LSU job and not playing games and requesting way more money than he is worth. I do knock Alleva for even considering to hire the guy who finished 6th in a shitty conference to run the LSU football program.

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We know that because he said "I am the search". Because he did not hire an external group to do a search as is normal in this situation.

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Consultants are not normal for most coaching hires. If a program is that clueless and has money to burn they shouldn't have fired the previous coach.

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I do think Herman is obviously more qualified than Orgeron but I'm not stuck on Herman so much as of the opinion that there are dozens of college football coaches who have better resumes than Orgeron.

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So to you going 4-3 to finish the season while losing to three teams you are favored to beat who have less talent somehow proves that going 5-2 while one loss is to the #1 team in the country proves he is more qualified.

You would need to hire a consulting firm if you were in charge of making the hire.

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This is a distraction argument. It is unacceptable to reveal (by his comments) that he had not prepared by researching one of his few major candidates. An obvious starting point would have been reading.

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Too bad you aren't the AD or coach. So much unacceptable stuff you could easily fix. Again, you would need to hire consultants to help you do the job you were hired and are paid a lot of money to do. It's easy to criticize when you don't have a clue.

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Yeah, that's why so many people are so angry.

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Really, the idiots on this board who wanted to hire the coach who finished sixth in the AAC? So many would mean a lot. Not the few most vocal idiots on a message board. I haven't talked to one person who is angry that LSU hired CEO and just got back from a week in Louisiana for Thanksgiving.

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Orgeron has you covered if you want examples of losing to unranked teams. He just lacks good wins to balance those out and make you think he might be any good.

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You like to live in the past. Again, you would need to hire a consultant to help you do your job if you had anything to do with the LSU coaching hire. Most people don't dwell on the past decade when considering hiring someone. It matters but so does what has happened this year. 4-3 losing to shite teams or 5-2 losing to the #1 ranked team in the country. Easy decision for someone who doesn't need to pay a lot of money for someone to tell them the same exact thing that your casual observer would already know.

o and alleva fricked the pooch n0 kiffen no o/c

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We are back to 1998. Everything built by saban. Destroyed by Alleva

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Yeah. Getting real worried about that.