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Would Helfrich's Offense Really Compliment the Defense?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:52 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:52 am
This all has to do with TOP..
I think it needs to be tweaked so that offensive plays aren't run every 10-15 seconds. I have seen multiple times Oregon's offense go 3-and-out in a matter of a minute. In defense, I have also seen LSU's offense do that.
But I think if Helfrich came in, he would have to adjust the tempo to give the defense some time to get a breather. This isn't the Pac-12 where you only rely solely on offense to win games.
I think it needs to be tweaked so that offensive plays aren't run every 10-15 seconds. I have seen multiple times Oregon's offense go 3-and-out in a matter of a minute. In defense, I have also seen LSU's offense do that.
But I think if Helfrich came in, he would have to adjust the tempo to give the defense some time to get a breather. This isn't the Pac-12 where you only rely solely on offense to win games.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:57 am to OKtiger
I came in ready to go guns blazing but you bring up a good point. Having a quick offense is good to have to put an opponent down when needed or to use at certain times but if youre a team thats planning to rely heavily on defense as well it could cause some problems in terms of rest. Especially if your playing a team that likes to sit on the ball. We used an oregon style offense in high school and i noticed the games we struggled more with were typically the ones against teams that liked to hold on to the ball for long periods.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:58 am to OKtiger
I would say scoring points on a regular and consistent basis is always considered a compliment
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:59 am to OKtiger
no it would not, the defense will be on the field a lot and will give up a lot of points
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:00 am to OKtiger
Helfrich would not be a good hire for us, because of the points you bring up.
We would have no identity. I'm really worried that we are going to try and hire a name rather than a coach.
We would have no identity. I'm really worried that we are going to try and hire a name rather than a coach.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:00 am to jcole4lsu
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I would say scoring points on a regular and consistent basis is always considered a compliment
I think the concern is when there are struggles against an elite defense you're going to put your own defense in a bad spot and risk getting blown out.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:00 am to OKtiger
Up tempo and ball control can be done.
See OU this year and last year.
See OU this year and last year.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:04 am to jcole4lsu
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I would say scoring points on a regular and consistent basis is always considered a compliment
Texas A&M thought that too. Chavis was regarded as one of the premier defensive coordinators and now looks like a complete scrub.
All because he thought an up-tempo offense like Texas A&m would compliment his defense more than LSU... That back fired
Texas also comes to mind.. UT had a shitty offense in 2015 but, solid defensive play. So they bring in Sterlin Gilbert who runs the Baylor-style offense. Next thing you know UT doesn't know how to play defense any more..
I don't think it's a coincidence that these up tempo offenses completely destroy the same team's defenses
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:05 am to castorinho
I think you go with regular tempo to start drives. Once you move the chains once or twice and have some momentum, then you mix it up and smash the pedal to the floor.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:06 am to castorinho
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See OU this year and last year.
Your defense sucked/does suck. Maybe that's more because of recruiting.
But your fanbase ran out Brent Venables because they thought he couldn't get it done and now he's the Broyles Award winner. OU is a prime example of why up-tempo offenses kill great defenses
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:07 am to Powerman
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I think the concern is when there are struggles against an elite defense you're going to put your own defense in a bad spot and risk getting blown out.
Thats when we have to have coaches that actually game plan from week to week. Set up a gameplan for each opponent and come up with the best plan. Against a team like bama you want to run a spread offense but you need to be more deliberate in doing so otherwise if you do get stopped they are going to run over a tired defense. Against a team like ole miss who doesnt even try to run the ball you dont have as much concern about your defense getting tired and run over.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:15 am to OKtiger
The Texas argument is flawed, because they gave up early points, as well. Youth sank Charlie's boys, not TOP.
The OP brings up a good point, but a dangerous offense likely forces more turnovers as opponents take risks to score points.
LSU's defense will likely give the offense a lot of plays.
The OP brings up a good point, but a dangerous offense likely forces more turnovers as opponents take risks to score points.
LSU's defense will likely give the offense a lot of plays.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:16 am to yimbeaux
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no it would not, the defense will be on the field a lot and will give up a lot of points
Our D didn't seem to be allowing a lot of points when they were on the field the whole game when our offense was unable to stay on the field so this argument sucks
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:19 am to etm512
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Our D didn't seem to be allowing a lot of points when they were on the field the whole game when our offense was unable to stay on the field so this argument sucks
But when we did have offensive success it would take a big chunk out of the clock. That wouldn't necessarily be true with an Oregon offense
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:19 am to OKtiger
Can someone point me to Helfrich's success as a play caller and coordinator outside of chip kelly era?
This is what concerns me most. You will have to rely 100% on him because orgeron won't know shite about it since he lets his coaches coach.
This is what concerns me most. You will have to rely 100% on him because orgeron won't know shite about it since he lets his coaches coach.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:21 am to etm512
Interestingly, on the lunchtime show on 104.9 they mentioned that Helfrich was the OC/passing game coordinator at Arizona State at the same time Grimes was the OL coach/running game coordinator.
I'm certainly not advocating for him, but I do think this makes it more likely as he does have a relationship with someone currently on staff...
I'm certainly not advocating for him, but I do think this makes it more likely as he does have a relationship with someone currently on staff...
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:22 am to OKtiger
I hate this fan base with a passion!
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:22 am to OKtiger
Auburn tries to go quick after getting a first down and their defense is either the second or third best defense in the league. TCU is another school where it worked. Oregon has also had some very good defenses. It can work.
I also don't think Helfrich is a one trick pony. He spent a large portion of his coaching career under Dirk Koetter who has been an OC in the NFL since 2007. He's incredibly smart and I think would be able to adjust if need be.
I also don't think Helfrich is a one trick pony. He spent a large portion of his coaching career under Dirk Koetter who has been an OC in the NFL since 2007. He's incredibly smart and I think would be able to adjust if need be.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:25 am to OKtiger
Since shortening games and keeping them close has worked out so well since 2008.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:27 am to OKtiger
quote:this year yes, but last year it was a top 10 defense in cfb. It's doable when you know how to slow it down and control the clock with the running game. See OUs last two games this year.
Your defense sucked/does suck.
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