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Why Campbell over Napier? Just a question
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:51 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:51 am
Just curious, I see a mixed crowd surrounding Campbell over Napier and some for Napier over Campbell.
Either way I'm sure Woody is going to bring us an elite hire, but what is there to it that makes Campbell more wanted than Napier?
Just doing quick research and not knowing much about them this is what I concluded in 5 minutes only looking at numbers only.
Matt Campbell - Overall Head Coaching record 76-47 (41-32 in Big 12) 4-3 in bowl game appearances and has had a top 60 recruiting class for 3 years.
Billy Napier - Overall Head Coaching record 35-12 with a 2-1 bowl game record. He has recruited a top 80 class the past 3 years.
I understand Matt Campbell has coached in big 12 but he hasn't really stood out since coaching Toledo in the Mid-Atlantic conference and moving on to Iowa State with a school that I would think has more money and better facilities than ULL where Napier is.
Napier has only coached as a head coach in the Sunbelt but has SEC experience.
I just cant see the hype behind Campbell over Napier looking at it on paper.
Help me am I missing something? If I am please shed some light.
Either way I'm sure Woody is going to bring us an elite hire, but what is there to it that makes Campbell more wanted than Napier?
Just doing quick research and not knowing much about them this is what I concluded in 5 minutes only looking at numbers only.
Matt Campbell - Overall Head Coaching record 76-47 (41-32 in Big 12) 4-3 in bowl game appearances and has had a top 60 recruiting class for 3 years.
Billy Napier - Overall Head Coaching record 35-12 with a 2-1 bowl game record. He has recruited a top 80 class the past 3 years.
I understand Matt Campbell has coached in big 12 but he hasn't really stood out since coaching Toledo in the Mid-Atlantic conference and moving on to Iowa State with a school that I would think has more money and better facilities than ULL where Napier is.
Napier has only coached as a head coach in the Sunbelt but has SEC experience.
I just cant see the hype behind Campbell over Napier looking at it on paper.
Help me am I missing something? If I am please shed some light.
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:52 am to jdk426
why does the NFL value Campbell over Billy?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:58 am to BilJ
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why does the NFL value Campbell over Billy?
Don't gotta recruit in the NFL.
As for the overall question of Campbell versus Napier, I think campbell is the option with the higher floor and Napier is the option with the higher ceiling.
I am nearly certain that if we hire campbell, he won't be a disaster. Napier has a higher chance of turning out to be a disaster, but I also think he has a better chance to be the guy who builds our next dynasty.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:58 am to jdk426
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just cant see the hype behind Campbell over Napier looking at it on paper.
Campbell proved himself at Toledo and now is proving himself in a real conference. He has been a head coach for 10 years.
Napier hasn’t proven himself in a real conference and only a head coach for 4 years. Everyone likes Napier because he worked at bigger schools as an assistant and currently coaches in Louisiana. If Napier was at Memphis or App State, he’d get less attention.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:05 am to LifeAquatic
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Don't gotta recruit in the NFL.
folks recruiting isn't the rocket science some of you make it out to be. In fact, our current coach is one dumb son of a bitch but he can recruit. Its a matter of willing vs. ability. There's nothing about Campbell that says he's an unwilling recruiter
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:10 am to BilJ
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Its a matter of willing vs. ability. There's nothing about Campbell that says he's an unwilling recruiter
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:11 am to jdk426
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I understand Matt Campbell has coached in big 12 but he hasn't really stood out
What? Iowa State is having the most successful run in program history under Campbell. That's why he has been Big XII coach of the year 3 times already.
Campbell also knows both sides of the ball. He was an all-American DL under the legendary Larry Kehres at Mount Union, but came through the ranks coaching offense.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:28 am to jdk426
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I understand Matt Campbell has coached in big 12 but he hasn't really stood out since coaching Toledo in the Mid-Atlantic conference and moving on to Iowa State with a school that I would think has more money and better facilities than ULL where Napier is.
Your thought process here is all wrong, sure Iowa State as P5 program has more resources than ULL. So does everyone else they play so you can't make the comparison to say well he has more resources and fewer wins. Iowa State is one of the bottom programs in the P5 in terms of resources.
Also Iowa State has like 5-6 winning seasons the 25-30 years before Campbell was hired and he's had 4 in row and possibly 5 pending this year. He also won the Fiesta Bowl by far the best bowl Iowa State has ever been too.
There are reasons to like Napier but frankly i think its mostly because he's local that people are wanting him, if he had the same record at Northern Illinois people would not feel the same.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 10:32 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:42 am to BilJ
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folks recruiting isn't the rocket science some of you make it out to be
Campbell has the #3 class in the Big XII right now at Iowa Freaking State.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:49 am to H-Town Tiger
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sure Iowa State as P5 program has more resources than ULL.
fricking barely
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:26 am to jdk426
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I understand Matt Campbell has coached in big 12 but he hasn't really stood out since coaching Toledo in the Mid-Atlantic conference and moving on to Iowa State with a school that I would think has more money and better facilities than ULL where Napier is.
When you consider ISU is a historical equivalent of a doormat, the fact that he's had a winning record there for the past 4 seasons is incredibly impressive.
Campbell is younger than Napier and has much more established experience at a P5 school that's basically why I prefer him.
I think the burden is on Napier advocates to make the case for him over Campbell.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 11:31 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 4:45 pm to nvasil1
His first 4 years look suspiciously like a former LSU coach in his stop prior to coming to LSU.
Les Miles
2001 4–7 2–6 5th (South)
2002 8–5 5–3 T–3rd (South) W Houston
2003 9–4 5–3 3rd (South) L Cotton
2004 7–5 4–4 5th (South) L Alamo
Matt Campbell
2016 3–9 2–7 9th
2017 8–5 5–4 T–4th W Liberty
2018 8–5 6–3 T–3rd L Alamo
2019 7–6 5–4 T–3rd L Camping World
The next two for Campbell. Nothing for us to compare for Miles
2020 9–3 8–1 1st W Fiesta† ranked 9th Including a loss to ULL/Billy Napier
2021 6–4 4–3
If I counted right he is 10-10 at ISU vs top 25 teams. And he has never beaten their in state rival, Iowa.
Just information, think he would do well at LSU. I don't think he brings much more than Napier except P5 experience. Wouldn't melt if he was hired. Wouldn't be ecstatic either.
Les Miles
2001 4–7 2–6 5th (South)
2002 8–5 5–3 T–3rd (South) W Houston
2003 9–4 5–3 3rd (South) L Cotton
2004 7–5 4–4 5th (South) L Alamo
Matt Campbell
2016 3–9 2–7 9th
2017 8–5 5–4 T–4th W Liberty
2018 8–5 6–3 T–3rd L Alamo
2019 7–6 5–4 T–3rd L Camping World
The next two for Campbell. Nothing for us to compare for Miles
2020 9–3 8–1 1st W Fiesta† ranked 9th Including a loss to ULL/Billy Napier
2021 6–4 4–3
If I counted right he is 10-10 at ISU vs top 25 teams. And he has never beaten their in state rival, Iowa.
Just information, think he would do well at LSU. I don't think he brings much more than Napier except P5 experience. Wouldn't melt if he was hired. Wouldn't be ecstatic either.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 4:47 pm to jdk426
If either comes to LSU, we’re fricked
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