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Some oppose hiring O simply because they think it makes LSU look weak.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 6:55 am
Posted on 10/24/16 at 6:55 am
The question is not whether O can do all the things necessary to win games. To some folks, it's about maintaining the illusion that LSU is stil "relevant," or "a player," or "elite." To them, O is a cause for hand wringing because he's not "a big name."
A head coach needs to be able manage the team (check), delegate authority to his assistants (check), recruit (double check), inspire (check) and relate to the fans, boosters and media (check).
Let's finish out the season and see how it goes, but right now I like what I see in Coach O.
A head coach needs to be able manage the team (check), delegate authority to his assistants (check), recruit (double check), inspire (check) and relate to the fans, boosters and media (check).
Let's finish out the season and see how it goes, but right now I like what I see in Coach O.
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 6:58 am to Slippy
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:29 am to Slippy
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A head coach needs to be able manage the team (check), delegate authority to his assistants (check), recruit (double check), inspire (check) and relate to the fans, boosters and media (check).
You forgot, run a successful program through the good and bad times for multiple years (double MINUS check)
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 7:32 am
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:33 am to Slippy
There's certainly more to being a successful HC than those 5 points.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:53 am to tigerwith3
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You forgot, run a successful program through the good and bad times for multiple years (double MINUS check)
Exactly. I'm as anti o as anyone. But I can admit that no one in the country is more equipped to be a successful INTERIM coach than O. Come in,rile everyone up, and be the coolest, most fun substitute teacher ever. But that shite doesn't work over the course of multiple off seasons and regular seasons. Weve seen that.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:17 am to Slippy
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The question is not whether O can do all the things necessary to win games. To some folks, it's about maintaining the illusion that LSU is stil "relevant," or "a player," or "elite." To them, O is a cause for hand wringing because he's not "a big name."
Why not just interview everyone we want and then if we strike out on everyone, then we'll go with Orgeron? Not like programs are going to be banging down his door to sign him up. He'll be there waiting because this is the best job he can get, by far.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:22 am to Slippy
The anti-O people should ask USC fans if they made a mistake in not giving O the keys. Not saying we should keep him if Herman or Jimbo are willing to come. But if not you don't hire another f*cking Sarkesian over Orgeron.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:27 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
I think USC doesn't regret what happened. Sark is a good coach if he's off the sauce.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:38 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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The anti-O people should ask USC fans if they made a mistake in not giving O the keys. Not saying we should keep him if Herman or Jimbo are willing to come. But if not you don't hire another f*cking Sarkesian over Orgeron.
So because usc made a bad hire and didn't do their homework, LSU should be afraid of the same thing and hire O? I don't think so. LSU needs to hire the coach they feel will bring long-term success to LSU. With O's track record, he doesn't fit that criteria.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:43 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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The anti-O people should ask USC fans if they made a mistake in not giving O the keys. Not saying we should keep him if Herman or Jimbo are willing to come. But if not you don't hire another f*cking Sarkesian over Orgeron.
Sark is a better coach than Orgeron in every facet. Just turned out to be an alcoholic. Let's not pretend it was a wrong football decision.
You think USC would've gone with Orgeron then seen Sark flame out the same way and say, "man I know we're 6-6 but at least our coach isn't a drunk."
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 8:44 am
Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:52 am to Slippy
O WILL be like Miles ad a HC. Totally dependent on having elite coordinators to be successful.
His strong suit is passion and motivation. Those are great qualities but that stuff will run thin. It doesn't sustain long term success.
His strong suit is passion and motivation. Those are great qualities but that stuff will run thin. It doesn't sustain long term success.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:20 am to Tiger Ryno
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O WILL be like Miles ad a HC. Totally dependent on having elite coordinators to be successful.
His strong suit is passion and motivation. Those are great qualities but that stuff will run thin. It doesn't sustain long term success.
No way O is anything remotely like Les Miles, O lets his coaches coach during the games. All coaches including Saban look for and depend on elite coordinators. That's what all good HC coaches do.
I don't know if O is the right person or not, but the great Tom Herman has gotten pistol whipped twice this season and Jimbo may have rode Jameis much like Chizik did Cam and after that, nothing special.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:20 am to Goldrush25
Ok, that's three replies from people who didn't read my post. If Herman and Jimbo aren't going to take this job, you don't hire 7 win Sark over a coach that already has the team playing at a high level.
And yet he couldn't last 2 years at USC against inferior competition with a roster more talented than most teams they played. Orgeron had recruited well at Ole Miss and frankly learned from his huge amount of mistakes, but lets not act like he was handed the keys to USC. Well he was handed the keys to USC, and he did pretty well considering the limited scholarships and all.of the injuries they had that year. We will never know if he could have done as well or better than Sark that next year. That's a hypothetical. And yet what do they do after they fire Sark? Give the keys to a coordinator Helton, who had zero head coaching experience.
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Sark is a better coach than Orgeron in every facet.
And yet he couldn't last 2 years at USC against inferior competition with a roster more talented than most teams they played. Orgeron had recruited well at Ole Miss and frankly learned from his huge amount of mistakes, but lets not act like he was handed the keys to USC. Well he was handed the keys to USC, and he did pretty well considering the limited scholarships and all.of the injuries they had that year. We will never know if he could have done as well or better than Sark that next year. That's a hypothetical. And yet what do they do after they fire Sark? Give the keys to a coordinator Helton, who had zero head coaching experience.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 9:25 am
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:30 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
Not a chance in hell that Sark, Petrino & Briles will get any looks from LSU as the HC...Anyone who thinks this is just spinning their wheels.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:36 am to Skillet
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No way O is anything remotely like Les Miles, O lets his coaches coach during the games. All coaches including Saban look for and depend on elite coordinators. That's what all good HC coaches do.
I don't know if O is the right person or not, but the great Tom Herman has gotten pistol whipped twice this season and Jimbo may have rode Jameis much like Chizik did Cam and after that, nothing special.
I'm glad someone else gets it. I for one am intrigued by a HC who doesn't think he always knows the best way to do it and will look for input from other people in the room.
This board's favorite saying right now is "interim wins don't matter" but it's extremely refreshing to see this team not only play to their talent level but to actually see them playing better in the second half than the first. Whether you think he's the man for the job, the in-game adjustments by O's staff have been undeniable.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:23 am to Slippy
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The question is not whether O can do all the things necessary to win games.
You're right. The question is whether or not he can, or is even qualified to do all the things necessary to maintain a program. It's about so much more than beating inferior teams as an interim HC. What happens when he has to actually run the entire program?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:28 am to ibleedprplngld
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What happens when he has to actually run the entire program?
He's doing that right now.
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It's about so much more than beating inferior teams as an interim HC.
We will see more in a couple of weeks, but compared to how we struggled against inferior teams before I'd say he's doing a better job than our last coach had been the last few years.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:28 am to ibleedprplngld
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You're right. The question is whether or not he can, or is even qualified to do all the things necessary to maintain a program. It's about so much more than beating inferior teams as an interim HC. What happens when he has to actually run the entire program?
I wonder that myself. O has been around the block a couple of times and may have learned what to do and what not to do. Just gotta surround himself with good and smart people. Won't be the end of the world if he fails. We'll just hire another coach.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:43 am to Slippy
Damn the way you describe, The head coach has the easiest job in the entire staff
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:58 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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What happens when he has to actually run the entire program?
He's doing that right now.
Actually, no he's not. He's coaching games. I'm talking about everything else that comes during the off season. Coordinating recruiting locations for coaches, weight programs, academic programs, keeping players out of trouble, financials, staff changes (not just coaching staff), and all the other things a coach of a major program is responsible for. How does he balance the responsibilities, what's his take on how the FB Operations building should run? What does he do with his budget?
That's what a lot of these coach O lovers aren't thinking off. He may be a really good ball coach, but it's not just coaching that has to be done. This get a lot harder when you take the interim tag off.
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