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Not the same....
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:51 am
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:51 am
Joe Alleva moving on from Herman after he opted to interview with Texas is NOT the same as Kiffin interviewing for HC in Houston!
If you believe that you don't understand the nuances of the varying situations OR you believe that an HC position at Texas is a step above an HC position at LSU.
Alleva made the right move with regard to Herman... if you think he settled for O that's a different conversation. Not allowing Herman to raise his price tag, knowing that he had emotional ties to Texas was the right thing to do.
Understand I don't want kiffin here, I would prefer a longer term option. But Kiffin exhausting his HC opportunities before accepting an OC position is not the same as Herman "listening" to a lateral move from Texas after committing to LSU.
If you believe that you don't understand the nuances of the varying situations OR you believe that an HC position at Texas is a step above an HC position at LSU.
Alleva made the right move with regard to Herman... if you think he settled for O that's a different conversation. Not allowing Herman to raise his price tag, knowing that he had emotional ties to Texas was the right thing to do.
Understand I don't want kiffin here, I would prefer a longer term option. But Kiffin exhausting his HC opportunities before accepting an OC position is not the same as Herman "listening" to a lateral move from Texas after committing to LSU.
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:53 am to LAfootballDude
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if you think he settled for O
Posted on 12/3/16 at 1:05 am to LAfootballDude
This is dumb, your post is dumb
Posted on 12/3/16 at 1:40 am to LAfootballDude
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if you think he settled for O
Posted on 12/3/16 at 1:58 am to LAfootballDude
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if you think he settled for O that's a different conversation.
No it's not, because O was the end result and Herman was obviously worthy of allevas consideration.
If the only potential candidates were jimbo, herman, or O, alleva should have played the game to the end. He didn't. He took his ball and went home because a bit coach wanted to hear all of his options. Idiotic.
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Understand I don't want kiffin here, I would prefer a longer term option. But Kiffin exhausting his HC opportunities before accepting an OC position is not the same as Herman "listening" to a lateral move from Texas after committing to LSU.
Nobody is saying it is. But considering kiffin was part of the O binder plan, it raises the importance of the hire.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:56 am to LAfootballDude
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Joe Alleva moving on from Herman after he opted to interview with Texas is NOT the same as Kiffin interviewing for HC in Houston!
I honestly have no idea what these two things have in common that would warrant a thread.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:10 am to LAfootballDude
If Herman had no intentions of coming here over Texas, then what harm would it do to raise his price tag for Texas? They got him for 5 million, offer that dude 7 and he either makes Texas pay 7 or you get him. If there really is no chance of him coming then frick it, let him use you as leverage. It doesn't hurt you at all
The real fricking crime is that there were only 3 goddamn people vetted and our 3rd choice was a failed Dline coach that looks exactly the same as Miles did the past couple years. 3 fricking choices with a 2 month head start on the entire country
Alleva is the lazy arse college student that put his semester long project off until the night before it was do and half assed it to try to get a D-
The real fricking crime is that there were only 3 goddamn people vetted and our 3rd choice was a failed Dline coach that looks exactly the same as Miles did the past couple years. 3 fricking choices with a 2 month head start on the entire country
Alleva is the lazy arse college student that put his semester long project off until the night before it was do and half assed it to try to get a D-
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:40 am to LAfootballDude
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Alleva made the right move with regard to Herman... if you think he settled for O that's a different conversation. Not allowing Herman to raise his price tag, knowing that he had emotional ties to Texas was the right thing to do.
I agree to an extent. The blame lies in only having two candidates after a 3 month search. That list of interviews should have been 10 names deep.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:52 am to 0
for those who think we're a laughingstock, I can imagine what a laughingstock we would be if we had bid 7-8 million for Herman and he still went to texas.
can you imagine the SEC rant?
I agree with alleva. he had a handshake deal and herman changed his mind. screw herman.
can you imagine the SEC rant?
I agree with alleva. he had a handshake deal and herman changed his mind. screw herman.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:00 am to stephendomalley
I'd rather him take a shot than get mad go home like he did.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 8:01 am
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:09 am to wildtigercat93
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Alleva is the lazy arse college student that put his semester long project off until the night before it was do and half assed it to try to get a D-
This is exactly correct! Alleva is purely incompetent!
He really hurt LSU with the handling of the Florida game as well! What an a-hole!
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 8:12 am
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:47 am to stephendomalley
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for those who think we're a laughingstock, I can imagine what a laughingstock we would be if we had bid 7-8 million for Herman and he still went to texas.
Finally, somebody that gets it.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:01 am to emanresu
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I honestly have no idea what these two things have in common that would warrant a thread.
Seeing about 100 different variations of "if we don't get Kiffin we will just promote Ensminger"
Alleva vetted 13 candidates, He extended offers to the top two. They both tried to use LSU as an excuse to get a raise.
Again, you can argue all day that O should have not been the guy, but LSU knowingly waiting 1 week on Kiffins HC options to expire
Is not the same not letting Herman drag us into a bidding war to do what he already told everybody he was going to do.
We will get a top 5 OC if not THEN grab your pitchforks then !!
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:11 am to LAfootballDude
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HC position at Texas is a step above an HC position at LSU
How is this even a debate?
Texas HC >>>> LSU HC
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:32 am to stephendomalley
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for those who think we're a laughingstock, I can imagine what a laughingstock we would be if we had bid 7-8 million for Herman and he still went to texas.
I don't understand why this makes us a laughing stock. It was well known it was his dream job. It's not like he's saying "y'all job is shite" by turning us down
Us getting butthurt at a counter offer and then beating our chest about hiring O just makes up look incompetent and completely unaware with reality
"WE REALLY SHOWED YOU! WE HIRE SOMEONE NOONE ELSE WILL HIRE!"
And you know the real key to negotiating with Herman? HAVING OTHER frickING OPTIONS THAN 3 GODDAMN CANIDATES.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:33 am to BananaHammock
Troll
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:33 am to LAfootballDude
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Alleva vetted 13 canidates
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:57 am to BananaHammock
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How is this even a debate?
Texas HC >>>> LSU HC
But that's the point isn't it, 75% of his board has wanted Miles fired five years ago because LSU "deserves" a top coach.
Because every top coach in the country would kill to coach here.
Because all alleva had to do was throw a couple dollars Hermans way.
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But the reality is a little different. The reality is there was a handful of second tier coaches and the couple names that this board clamored for were just using LSU as a pay day. (Fisher and Herman)
So if Texas is a more coveted job and LSU can't name its top tier coach because it's the greatest job in the country as some of y'all used to claim in order to pile on Miles and now Alleva
(Because Herman was going there anyway)
then it stands to reason that 75% of this board had an inflated view of the opening and an inflated view of the second tier options?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:41 am to stephendomalley
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for those who think we're a laughingstock, I can imagine what a laughingstock we would be if we had bid 7-8 million for Herman and he still went to texas.
Dumb.you think the secrant would laugh at us more for getting turned down by a good coach for his dream job vs hiring a complete failure? They are happy as hell we hired O. Think about that.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:44 am to wildtigercat93
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WE REALLY SHOWED YOU! WE HIRE SOMEONE NOONE ELSE WILL HIRE!"
And you know the real key to negotiating with Herman? HAVING OTHER frickING OPTIONS THAN 3 GODDAMN CANIDATES.
Take a bow good sir.
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