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Jimbo was Herman before Herman was a name
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:50 pm
What makes Herman so desirable is that he was an OC for a national championship team under an idol coach in Urban Meyer. He then goes to Houston for his first ever HC gig and has the team in contention for a playoff birth. He looks very promising.
Now let's go back in time. Jimbo Fisher is an OC for a national championship team under an idol coach in Nick Saban. He takes over a program on the decline at Florida State for his first head coaching gig, puts out multiple first round QBs, a heisman, and a national championship.
Both guys are winners. Both guys would be phenomenal hires for LSU. But for anyone to not understand why LSU would go after Jimbo first, needs to step back and think about his history and not get caught up in the now. Simply put, Jimbo was Tom Herman. But he has had the time to prove it was legitimate. If there was around the clock coverage and social media back then, Jimbo would have been just as hyped.
Also at the end of the day, these are LSU's top 2 choices early. Rarely does that work out for a coaching search. So all LSU fans should be happy and feel lucky as hell if either one come to LSU.
Now let's go back in time. Jimbo Fisher is an OC for a national championship team under an idol coach in Nick Saban. He takes over a program on the decline at Florida State for his first head coaching gig, puts out multiple first round QBs, a heisman, and a national championship.
Both guys are winners. Both guys would be phenomenal hires for LSU. But for anyone to not understand why LSU would go after Jimbo first, needs to step back and think about his history and not get caught up in the now. Simply put, Jimbo was Tom Herman. But he has had the time to prove it was legitimate. If there was around the clock coverage and social media back then, Jimbo would have been just as hyped.
Also at the end of the day, these are LSU's top 2 choices early. Rarely does that work out for a coaching search. So all LSU fans should be happy and feel lucky as hell if either one come to LSU.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 12:52 pm
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:53 pm to tigerbru17
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But for anyone to not understand why LSU would go after Jimbo first, needs to step back and think about his history and not get caught up in the now. Simply put, Jimbo was Tom Herman.
If only these 2 had played a game against each other within the last year.
I think Jimbo is a great coach and most programs would be lucky to have him. I think Herman has a higher upside, but that is one of those buzzwords like "potential" so you never know if it manifests. Jimbo has a title
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:53 pm to tigerbru17
Except Tom Herman stomped Jimbo on December 31, 2015 with an extremely less talented team
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:56 pm to Camel Menthol
I like Herman but I think people are using that bowl game a little too heavily against Jimbo. Bowl games are pretty often decided by who wants to be there vs. who is not all that thrilled to be there.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:56 pm to tigerbru17
The Jimbo love by LSU fans is a bit of revisionist history. He was not thought all that highly off when he was the OC under Saban or Miles. There wasn't much outcry when he left LSU after the '06 season. In fact, MOST LSU fans would have been very disappointing had he gotten the HC job in '05
Jimbo became a HOT name in 2013. He was not "Tom Herman" in the early/mid 2000's
Jimbo became a HOT name in 2013. He was not "Tom Herman" in the early/mid 2000's
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:56 pm to Camel Menthol
And that is very true. But coaches have off games. They may not prepare hard enough at times. If you honestly think Herman won't drop a game to a team he shouldn't one day, you're delusional. To think after one game coach A is better than B now is dumb. I totally agree Herman looks amazing and could be better than Jimbo in the long run. But to say screw Jimbo is plain dumb.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:59 pm to Camel Menthol
First off FSU didn't want to be in the fn peach bowl vs UH. They expect the playoffs and his team failed to show up...when this was the super bowl of all super bowls for UH. The motivation factor was in The Cougars corner big time...and that showed
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:00 pm to Alt26
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He was not thought all that highly off when he was the OC under Saban or Miles
Based off of our offense since he left, that should tell you a lot about our fans perception of what's successful and what's not.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:00 pm to Camel Menthol
quote:Say what you will about that, but meaningless bowl games are in fact meaningless. FSU was not fired up to play Houston.
Except Tom Herman stomped Jimbo on December 31, 2015 with an extremely less talented team
It happens every year during bowl season. A lot of times the team that is most excited to there wins, but that doesn't make them a better team.
Houston's win this year over OU is actually more impressive than their win against FSU IMO because OU knew what they were facing against Houston.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:02 pm to Alt26
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There wasn't much outcry when he left LSU after the '06 season.
people didn't realize at the time who was the one holding the offense back
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:10 pm to BilJ
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people didn't realize at the time who was the one holding the offense back
In 2007 LSU was 9th in total offense and 12th in ppg.
Miles became a different coach after 2008. You could tell he vowed to never again repeat that season. His entire approach changed. If LSU was going to win, it was going to be done by playing great defense and being ultra-conservative on offense so as to not beat themselves.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:12 pm to BilJ
Yeh. Jimbo's offense only set every single-game SEC passing record AT Alabama, produced three 1st round draft picks at WR and the No. 1 overall pick from the QB position.
Then he goes to FSU, rebuilds a program that was in the predicament we are in now into a top 5-10 program, has two undefeated seasons and a national title.
I want no part of Jimbo fisher.
Then he goes to FSU, rebuilds a program that was in the predicament we are in now into a top 5-10 program, has two undefeated seasons and a national title.
I want no part of Jimbo fisher.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:14 pm to Alt26
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n 2007 LSU was 9th in total offense and 12th in ppg.
I wonder who developed the QB?
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:17 pm to geauxcoco
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They expect the playoffs and his team failed to show up
They lost their second game to Clemson in november. They knew there was no playoffs
He coudln't get his team fired up for a bowl a month later?
Oh and their first loss? 3-9 Georgia Tech
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:19 pm to Buckeye06
quote:talk about a non factor. This isn't the college football playoffs.
If only these 2 had played a game against each other within the last year
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:26 pm to Alt26
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In 2007 LSU was 9th in total offense and 12th in ppg.
It was Jimbo's offense with a few spread concepts thrown in.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:28 pm to tigerbru17
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Simply put, Jimbo was Tom Herman.
So he's Tom Herman b/c they both had success at major schools? Recruiting players to UH vs recruiting them to FSU isn't in the same ball park.
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If there was around the clock coverage and social media back then, Jimbo would have been just as hyped.
Cool beans. Give me the guy 9 years younger that has been recruiting in Texas the past few years.
And yes, they are both good coaches. I just think that Herman's ceiling potential is much higher.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 1:29 pm
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