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Is Hal Mumme the most influential coach in modern CFB history?
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:22 am
A hobby of mine is researching coaching trees, don’t ask why.
Mumme’s offensive innovation starting at Kentucky has arguably shaped modern college football more than anyone, definitely modern offense.
Mike Leach was Mumme’s OC at Kentucky, who then spawned Art Briles, Dana Holgorsen, Kliff Kingsbury, Lincoln Riley, etc. And all of those guys have their own branches like Jeff Lebby, Kendal Briles, and Graham Harrell.
What does the great CCB think?
Mumme’s offensive innovation starting at Kentucky has arguably shaped modern college football more than anyone, definitely modern offense.
Mike Leach was Mumme’s OC at Kentucky, who then spawned Art Briles, Dana Holgorsen, Kliff Kingsbury, Lincoln Riley, etc. And all of those guys have their own branches like Jeff Lebby, Kendal Briles, and Graham Harrell.
What does the great CCB think?
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:24 am to DBG
Mummy/Leach definitely
Leach’s coaching tree is nuts. Especially if you count Art Briles (which is iffy because he didn’t really run an air raid)
Leach’s coaching tree is nuts. Especially if you count Art Briles (which is iffy because he didn’t really run an air raid)
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:26 am to DBG
Seems like Saban’s coaching tree is unmatched… but from a football standpoint, in general, that would mean Belichik reigns supreme.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:28 am to DBG
I mean, if your gonna go that route you could say Lavell Edwards. He at least was a good coach in addition to a great offensive mind. His coaching tree includes many impressive coaches.
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 10:30 am
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:28 am to DBG
if you really want to go deeper, Mandeville's coach was a receiver at SLU, who was coached by...........the Mummy, and guess what offense he runs at Mandeville????
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:29 am to lsualum01
I mean you can trace everyone back to like Amos Alonzo Stagg 
I was trying to keep it within this century
I was trying to keep it within this century
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:30 am to DBG
I mean Andy Reid and Steve Sarkisian are in Edward’s coaching tree. It’s not ancient history.
ETA- Mumme was head coach at Kentucky while Edwards was still at BYU.
ETA- Mumme was head coach at Kentucky while Edwards was still at BYU.
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 10:36 am
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:33 am to DBG
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Is Hal Mumme the most influential coach in modern CFB history?
No. I think someone's coaching tree needs to include people that only worked directly for them. Too much movement among assistants to give everyone credit. Yes Mumme was influential, but that doesn't mean he gets credit for Art Briles b/c Briles' boss (Leach) worked with Mumme. Unless I'm missing something, Leach was the OC under Mumme for a couple of seasons. Then Briles was the RB coach under Leach for a few seasons. That's a bit of a stretch to credit Mumme for Briles.
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:36 am to BayouBengals90
Hayden Fry has the Goat Tree
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:36 am to DBG
This is fascinating stuff.
Just throwing out some names; don't know if they belong.
Spurrier- his fun-n-gun was innovative. I think he changed the way SEC teams had to play.
Chip Kelly, Crowton, et al, seemed like there was tree out of all places NH.
Just throwing out some names; don't know if they belong.
Spurrier- his fun-n-gun was innovative. I think he changed the way SEC teams had to play.
Chip Kelly, Crowton, et al, seemed like there was tree out of all places NH.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:36 am to DBG
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hobby of mine is researching coaching trees, don’t ask why.
Why?
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:36 am to DBG
I'm pretty sure Mumme got the basis of a lot his ideas from Lavell Edwards
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:36 am to DBG
Made this thread last year but for Leach. Leach was the brains in that operation and has completely influenced offense on all levels since
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:38 am to SammyTiger
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This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:38 am to usc6158
Only thing I found about Mumme and Edwards is he visited BYU one offseason in 1986.
Not saying he didn’t absorb a lot of concepts, I just couldn’t find anything that suggests he was a major influence.
Not saying he didn’t absorb a lot of concepts, I just couldn’t find anything that suggests he was a major influence.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:39 am to lsualum01
Andy Reid came out of the Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren coaching tree.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:40 am to DBG
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DBG
You should write a book on this. Fun stuff.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:40 am to DBG
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Only thing I found about Mumme and Edwards is he visited BYU one offseason in 1986.
Not saying he didn’t absorb a lot of concepts, I just couldn’t find anything that suggests he was a major influence.
Lavell Edwards was probably THE major influence on Mumme. Anyone who is interested in Mumme/Leach and the creation/evolution of the air raid should read the book The Perfect Pass. It goes through the whole history of Mumme developing it and then its subsequent proliferation. Very interesting.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:41 am to LifeAquatic
Give us some Cliff notes, LA
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:41 am to AlwysATgr
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You should write a book on this. Fun stuff.
There already is one!
The Perfect Pass, by SC Gwynne. Very interesting read.
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