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Help me out here re: those of you who want to keep O
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:46 am
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:46 am
I'm trying to understand the mentality because it's truly mind blowing that any LSU fan would actually want to keep O on full time.
1) Do you feel the jobs of an interim coach and a full time coach are sufficiently the same?
2) Do you think LSU can't do any better?
3) Do you think a guy who is the Ole Miss version of Curley can change to such a degree that he suddenly is an NC caliber coach now?
4) Do you just like the fact he's from Louisiana?
I'm terrified about what direction the program would go and the message it would send if we were to keep a guy who had already failed as a full time to such a degree. Like historically bad. Even at his best he's a guy totally reliant on his coordinators, that's not a recipie for success.
LSU doesn't have to settle for a career position coach. If LSU passed on O, what kind of head coaching job could he expect to get elsewhere? Syracuse level jobs? Is that who you see as LSU's peers?
1) Do you feel the jobs of an interim coach and a full time coach are sufficiently the same?
2) Do you think LSU can't do any better?
3) Do you think a guy who is the Ole Miss version of Curley can change to such a degree that he suddenly is an NC caliber coach now?
4) Do you just like the fact he's from Louisiana?
I'm terrified about what direction the program would go and the message it would send if we were to keep a guy who had already failed as a full time to such a degree. Like historically bad. Even at his best he's a guy totally reliant on his coordinators, that's not a recipie for success.
LSU doesn't have to settle for a career position coach. If LSU passed on O, what kind of head coaching job could he expect to get elsewhere? Syracuse level jobs? Is that who you see as LSU's peers?
This post was edited on 11/14/16 at 9:47 am
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:49 am to Draconian Sanctions
There is a coaching board. There are 110 of these threads there. Please keep this crap contained.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:50 am to Hold That Tiger 10
Well the CC board seems to have a much more level head than the rant. I came here to get some questions answered.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
He's beating the hell out of everyone except Bama. He went toe to toe with Satan for 3-1/2 quarters. I think Jimbo and Herman are above him, but who the hell are you gonna go get if you miss in those guys? Fuching Fedora?
ETA: Just saw your sig. So you would want to get rid of the guy slaughtering the SEC (outside of the eventual national champions) for a dude at Western Michigan? What happens if he can't recruit with the big boys?
ETA: Just saw your sig. So you would want to get rid of the guy slaughtering the SEC (outside of the eventual national champions) for a dude at Western Michigan? What happens if he can't recruit with the big boys?
This post was edited on 11/14/16 at 9:53 am
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:51 am to Draconian Sanctions
Orgeron is going to win out and keep the job, and when that happens turn in your lsu gear and stfu!
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
Oh look, another one.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
we need a leader and I like CEO attitude and charisma. The kids like him as well and he is a great recruiter. He has learned how to become a head coach. All great head coaches go through a learning curve. Give O the job and let him hire a big name to revamp the Offense and let Aranda run defense. CEO focus on the big picture and recruiting.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:53 am to Solo Cam
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but who the hell are you gonna go get if you miss in those guys? Fuching Fedora?
Petrino
Chryst
Gundy
McIntire
Whittingham
Fuente
Franklin
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:54 am to Solo Cam
quote:
He's beating the hell out of everyone except Bama. He went toe to toe with Satan for 3-1/2 quarters.
Not his team. Once Les' guys are gone it will be Archer 2.0
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
1) Do you feel the jobs of an interim coach and a full time coach are sufficiently the same?
I think in this case, that it is sufficiently the same since Les did get fired in the fourth game of the season.
2) Do you think LSU can't do any better? I don't know to be honest. some coaches may be complacent at their current, our fan base is very critical (much more than most fan bases), some may enjoy the challenge some may not want to be anywhere near. LSU does have the resources, but our fan base seems to think we are number one and should be in everything from recruiting, to facilities, to coaching, etc.
3) Do you think a guy who is the Ole Miss version of Curley can change to such a degree that he suddenly is an NC caliber coach now? That was what, 10-12 years ago? Curley Hallman's career went down after he was fired, heck he couldn't even win at the high school level. He even admitted to his mistakes during his tenure at Ole Miss. To be honest, I don't see any team beating Alabama this year.
4) Do you just like the fact he's from Louisiana? No, that shouldn't matter one way or another.
I say hire him, and give him a short term contract, but if he is a bust next year, then move on.
I think in this case, that it is sufficiently the same since Les did get fired in the fourth game of the season.
2) Do you think LSU can't do any better? I don't know to be honest. some coaches may be complacent at their current, our fan base is very critical (much more than most fan bases), some may enjoy the challenge some may not want to be anywhere near. LSU does have the resources, but our fan base seems to think we are number one and should be in everything from recruiting, to facilities, to coaching, etc.
3) Do you think a guy who is the Ole Miss version of Curley can change to such a degree that he suddenly is an NC caliber coach now? That was what, 10-12 years ago? Curley Hallman's career went down after he was fired, heck he couldn't even win at the high school level. He even admitted to his mistakes during his tenure at Ole Miss. To be honest, I don't see any team beating Alabama this year.
4) Do you just like the fact he's from Louisiana? No, that shouldn't matter one way or another.
I say hire him, and give him a short term contract, but if he is a bust next year, then move on.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:56 am to Solo Cam
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ETA: Just saw your sig. So you would want to get rid of the guy slaughtering the SEC (outside of the eventual national champions) for a dude at Western Michigan? What happens if he can't recruit with the big boys?
This isn't about Fleck, still plenty of other coaches I would want before O. I gave you a list.
Heck I'd rather Aranda be the HC
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
Coach O should be in the mix like any one else in the interview process. He's done well and he's local so it should not be a surprise that he is being considered by fans and LSU alike.
If Dbag Petrino keeps Aranda I'm in
If Dbag Petrino keeps Aranda I'm in
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:57 am to lsucoonass
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I think in this case, that it is sufficiently the same since Les did get fired in the fourth game of the season.
This is one of the major pro-O fallacies.
Running a program 12 months a year differs greatly from just taking over in week 5 and injecting some enthusiasm.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:58 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
1) Do you feel the jobs of an interim coach and a full time coach are sufficiently the same?
Does one involve actually coaching and the other one does not?
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:59 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
and injecting some enthusiasm.
Is that all he is doing at work?
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:59 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Yes, he's out there recruiting just like every other HC in the nation. Probably harder 'cause that's how he rolls.
1) Do you feel the jobs of an interim coach and a full time coach are sufficiently the same?
quote:Only two elite coaches (Saban and Harbaugh) who wouldn't come here anyway. The only other choice would be Jimbo which would cost a fortune, especially when compared to what we would pay Coach O.
2) Do you think LSU can't do any better?
quote:Do you think Curley would have led a USC team in disarray to a 6-2 record? Would Curley have led our Tigers to four lopsided victories - 3 against SEC teams? You can shove question #3 up your arse.
3) Do you think a guy who is the Ole Miss version of Curley can change to such a degree that he suddenly is an NC caliber coach now?
quote:There's a lot of football people from Louisiana who do not have the passion for the state and LSU.
4) Do you just like the fact he's from Louisiana?
Let him coach until he proves he's not the guy for the job. Offer a relatively short-term contract (2-3 years) without an insane buyout. May seem disrespectful, but I'm sure he'd take it. Wouldn't you?
Posted on 11/14/16 at 9:59 am to Draconian Sanctions
well no shite, but based on the body of results right now, then he should have that opportunity to run the program full time.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:00 am to Hold That Tiger 10
quote:
There is a coaching board. There are 110 of these threads there. Please keep this crap contained.
The bad thing is is the OP posts on the CC board and should know better. I RA'd as should others.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:00 am to SabiDojo
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Does one involve actually coaching and the other one does not?
Being a full time coach requires managing and maintaining a program 12 months out the year. O has already proven he doesn't know how to do that.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
If they want coach O, they can just hire me. I give great pep talks, will bust tail recruiting and will let my coordinators coach. I'll sign for 400k so they can save a lot of money
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