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Hal Mumme...I know Germans
Posted on 1/12/11 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 1/12/11 at 3:13 pm
Anyone want him as OC? 
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Posted on 1/12/11 at 3:16 pm to Weaver
not no, but hell no! the guys a crook. we don't need someone like that representing LSU.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 3:17 pm to LSU GrandDad
bad fit for LSU. a guy like mumme you would need to give him control. i like mumme, but no.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 3:25 pm to Weaver
Mumme = Leach
Both throw the ball 96% of all offensive plays and believe the word running back is a curse word or other bastardization to the proper term "pass blocker".
Both throw the ball 96% of all offensive plays and believe the word running back is a curse word or other bastardization to the proper term "pass blocker".
Posted on 1/12/11 at 3:28 pm to TheFranchise
Ahhhhh ignorance is bliss
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:43 pm to Kunka
Mumme would not be a good fit. Besides, could you ever trust the guy?
Look what happened to Johnny Majors after he brought Phat Phil Fulmer in.
Nah, no way in hell would I want that snakefricker.
Look what happened to Johnny Majors after he brought Phat Phil Fulmer in.
Nah, no way in hell would I want that snakefricker.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:45 pm to Kunka
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During his time as a high school and college assistant coach Mumme developed an unorthodox, pass-oriented offensive attack that proved very successful at moving the ball, gaining yardage and scoring points. The unusual attack, utilizing short passes to multiple receivers and backs out of the backfield
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Leach is known for building some very potent offenses, directing very prolific passing-oriented teams that have broken school and NCAA records at Valdosta State and Kentucky where he was offensive coordinator under Hal Mumme, developing their (in)famous "Air Raid Offense",[9] at Oklahoma under head coach Bob Stoops,[10] and Texas Tech, where he became head coach in 2000. Leach's spread offense relies heavily on passing and he has seen several of his quarterbacks post NCAA records. At Kentucky he tutored prospect Tim Couch into a No. 1 NFL draft pick. At Oklahoma, Josh Heupel became an NFL draft pick following a year under Leach's tutelage.
KUNKA: Who is fricking ignorant? Apparently you. Why don't you try watching or understanding some football before you try to speak about it. Is ignorance bliss, you tell me?
This post was edited on 1/12/11 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:10 pm to Weaver
I'd be for it. Coach Mumme is wanna of the God Fathers of the Air Raid offense. Y'all need to forget the shite that happen ten years ago at Kentucky. There was allot of people involved in that hole thing. If Hal Mumme came to LSU, teams in the SEC would be in trouble.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:20 pm to TheFranchise
Hey! Don't talk shite about kunka.. He knows more football in his fricking pinkies, than you know all together. Your typical I don't know shite football fan, that needs to keep his mouth shut.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:20 pm to TheFranchise
TheFranchise - considering that I'm a college football coach and I have been coaching in the same offense that Hal Mumme uses for years I think I know just a little bit more about how he & Mike Leach think relative to running backs & offensive football in general. Thanks though
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:21 pm to Kunka
Todd Monken, it was who Miles wanted two hire when he hired Crowton.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 6:22 pm to Kunka
What I'm saying is if Miles can't co-exist with Crowton and the offense became some no-identity conglomeration of i-formation spread short-side option sometimes dink and dunk sometimes throw downfield what makes anyone think Miles can co-exist with a pass-every-down type like Mumme or Leach.
And I don't want to lose Ware or Ford or any of the other backs for the same reasons that Texas Tech lost Shaud Williams.
Secondly, how sure are you that I'm not equally and/or more familiar (READ: Blazers) with not only their largely similar offensive schemes but the men themselves? Just saying.
Regardless, Miles clearly values the run. Leach and Mumme clearly don't share Miles importance on the same. Miles and Crowton clearly don't share the same offensive philosophy and it clearly lead to, at best, an inability to get plays called timely and, at worst, utter offensive disfunction. So, why would any LSU fan want any coach whose offensive philosophy isn't more-closely congruent with the HC?
And I don't want to lose Ware or Ford or any of the other backs for the same reasons that Texas Tech lost Shaud Williams.
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in 1999, when Williams rushed for 658 yards on 112 carries. Tech then changed to a pass-based offense in 2000 under Leach, prompting Williams to consider a transfer. He rushed for 223 yards on 55 carries in 2000. He also caught 48 passes for 299 yards receiving.
Secondly, how sure are you that I'm not equally and/or more familiar (READ: Blazers) with not only their largely similar offensive schemes but the men themselves? Just saying.
Regardless, Miles clearly values the run. Leach and Mumme clearly don't share Miles importance on the same. Miles and Crowton clearly don't share the same offensive philosophy and it clearly lead to, at best, an inability to get plays called timely and, at worst, utter offensive disfunction. So, why would any LSU fan want any coach whose offensive philosophy isn't more-closely congruent with the HC?
Posted on 1/12/11 at 6:25 pm to Tiger Rob
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not no, but hell no! the guys a crook. we don't need someone like that representing LSU.
This....
I'm all for giving people a second chance, but given the condition LSU is in (an elite national progam expected to compete for national titles), I don't want to be the one to give Mumme his "second" chance. In addition, the fact that Mumme's in relative coaching obscurity (out of coaching entirely for 1 1/2 years , 2 years at Southeastern, fired after 3 seasons at New Mexico State and now 3 seasons coaching at McMurray University in Abilene, TX) suggests that maybe he's been kinda "blackballed."
Posted on 1/12/11 at 7:27 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Mumme doesn't fit at LSU. Just doesn't. After a while, you get a feel for who would represent LSU well and co-exist with others. We'd be taking a chance with Mumme or Leach as OC's. It would be like a decade ago or two, hiring Jackie Sherill to be the HC. Some guys just aren't meant to be Tigers.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 7:34 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
KUNKA...my mea culpa
As I drove home, a cooler head began to prevail. I took issue with you calling me ignorant in response to what I feel is a reasonable assumption (that Mumme and Leach are both pass-first) and responded in kind but more vehemently. For that I am sorry.
Honestly, I would welcome the opportunity to have a back and forth discussion with someone who actually knows what he or she is talking about but I allowed the my responses to devolve into name-calling, etc. I need to do a better job with my posts in not resorting to name-calling, a manifestation of my frustrations with the disfunction of the offense and the lack of any ability for this staff to identify clear problems and find solutions for them.
I do hope, though, that if Les does make a change at OC then he finds someone who shares his offensive philosophy, which, from what I can tell, is generally balanced with a slight lean towards favoring the run. Or someone who can complement his philosophy.
Anyways, I hope you were not too offended by my rude reference to you being ignorant and accept this apology.
As I drove home, a cooler head began to prevail. I took issue with you calling me ignorant in response to what I feel is a reasonable assumption (that Mumme and Leach are both pass-first) and responded in kind but more vehemently. For that I am sorry.
Honestly, I would welcome the opportunity to have a back and forth discussion with someone who actually knows what he or she is talking about but I allowed the my responses to devolve into name-calling, etc. I need to do a better job with my posts in not resorting to name-calling, a manifestation of my frustrations with the disfunction of the offense and the lack of any ability for this staff to identify clear problems and find solutions for them.
I do hope, though, that if Les does make a change at OC then he finds someone who shares his offensive philosophy, which, from what I can tell, is generally balanced with a slight lean towards favoring the run. Or someone who can complement his philosophy.
Anyways, I hope you were not too offended by my rude reference to you being ignorant and accept this apology.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 11:26 pm to TheFranchise
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Secondly, how sure are you that I'm not equally and/or more familiar (READ: Blazers) with not only their largely similar offensive schemes but the men themselves?
I'm sure because if you actually knew Hal Mumme & Mike Leach you wouldn't have said:
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Both throw the ball 96% of all offensive plays and believe the word running back is a curse word or other bastardization to the proper term "pass blocker".
You didn't offend me, no harm done. I have watched for years LSU underachieve year in & year out on offense. Have they had some good year's offensively? Absolutely. But for the most part LSU's offense has always been that of predictability, lack of innovation, lack of a killer instinct to finish off an opponent & playing not to lose while at the same time putting the pressure to win the game all on the shoulders of the defense.
I can't tell you how many discussions I have been around over the years with other college coaches from across the country that when the subject of LSU football is brought up the sentiment is they have incredible athletes that don't get to showcase their talents, and how LSU teams don't live up to their potential because of terrible offensive philosophy. You would be amazed at what many prominent coaches from across the country think of LSU's offense, and there are many coaches that would kill to have the athletic skill that LSU has year in & year out.
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