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George Edwards?
Posted on 12/28/08 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 12/28/08 at 11:32 pm
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for what this team needs...meh is all i can say at this possibility
of course i fully expect the tepper tigers to point out he was good enough (as a positional coach) for saban
for what this team needs...meh is all i can say at this possibility
of course i fully expect the tepper tigers to point out he was good enough (as a positional coach) for saban
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Posted on 12/28/08 at 11:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Who da hell is George Edwards? 
Posted on 12/28/08 at 11:47 pm to kclsufan
he did provide a link
Posted on 12/28/08 at 11:49 pm to Cash
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he did provide a link
Really? I looked at it and it really didn't give me a feel for who this guy is or how good or bad he may be. Since SFP seems to be fairly knowledgable about such things I was hoping for a little insight.
This post was edited on 12/28/08 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 12/28/08 at 11:51 pm to kclsufan
i don't know who he is really 
a long-time positional coach in the NFL who may or may not be our DC in a month
a long-time positional coach in the NFL who may or may not be our DC in a month
Posted on 12/28/08 at 11:55 pm to kclsufan
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Who da hell is George Edwards?
the guy we tried to hire before Pelini, but saban hired him at Miami instead
Posted on 12/29/08 at 12:00 am to philter
Guy has a lot of upside. Coached for multiple NFL teams...did a descent amount of work in college before jumping. Was looked at for a couple of HC jobs in the pro's.
Saban recruiting him to the Dolphins over Miles bringing him to LSU. I see this as a huge plus when the Gump coaches try to recruit a kid and tell him that LSU doesn't have a DC that can get him to the next level. Gives some explanation to why Willis reupped with Auburn.
Also, this guy is going to want to be a HC...may think NFL is not going to happen, so college pays good, hence, EO comes as DL and is DC in waiting.
Saban recruiting him to the Dolphins over Miles bringing him to LSU. I see this as a huge plus when the Gump coaches try to recruit a kid and tell him that LSU doesn't have a DC that can get him to the next level. Gives some explanation to why Willis reupped with Auburn.
Also, this guy is going to want to be a HC...may think NFL is not going to happen, so college pays good, hence, EO comes as DL and is DC in waiting.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 12:59 am to Jabbathehut
Keep in mind this is a rumor, and as we have all seen...things change.
..but
I think it's a mistake not hiring a proven college DC. I like Edwards a lot, and I think he would have been a great choice last year. But after the year we've had, with the dissension we've had on the defense, LSU can't afford to risk hiring an unproven DC.
The positives on Edwards are that quality defensive coaches like Butch Davis, Marvin Lewis, & Nick Saban all hired him. What is interesting is he was hired by Saban, then only 1 of 2 to be retained by Cameron, then the only 1 to be retain by Parcells when he took over the front office.
So you have a guy who passed the test of 3 different head coaches and Parcells (who calls all the personnel shots at Miami). Frankly, you cannot coach on a team run by Parcells unless you can actually coach.
Still, it is a risk and I'd prefer not to risk anything next year. But it's Miles' butt on the line.
..but
I think it's a mistake not hiring a proven college DC. I like Edwards a lot, and I think he would have been a great choice last year. But after the year we've had, with the dissension we've had on the defense, LSU can't afford to risk hiring an unproven DC.
The positives on Edwards are that quality defensive coaches like Butch Davis, Marvin Lewis, & Nick Saban all hired him. What is interesting is he was hired by Saban, then only 1 of 2 to be retained by Cameron, then the only 1 to be retain by Parcells when he took over the front office.
So you have a guy who passed the test of 3 different head coaches and Parcells (who calls all the personnel shots at Miami). Frankly, you cannot coach on a team run by Parcells unless you can actually coach.
Still, it is a risk and I'd prefer not to risk anything next year. But it's Miles' butt on the line.
This post was edited on 12/29/08 at 1:00 am
Posted on 12/29/08 at 1:20 am to philter
Parcells knows what he's doing far more than Saban does, and that's saying a lot. I'd have to trust those guys that Edwards can coach. Plus, anyone with NFL ties like that is going to get the attention of 18-20 year old kids who want to make it to the League.
I don't see it being much of a risk, honestly.
I don't see it being much of a risk, honestly.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 1:28 am to AlaTiger
The risk is, can he actually get college kids to perform and teach them his defense. Can he manage teaching young kids a game plan in a week's time while they have to also juggle school, girls, ...being a young kid. Can he manage recruiting.
Can he get along with the other coaches under him, one of which is likely to be an ex college HC. Can he adjust to the different kinds of offenses he's going to see in the college ranks. Can he adjust to the different kind of athletes he'll have in the college ranks.
All these questions, and more, have not been answered, and they are questions a proven DC will have answered...so in that regard, he is a risk. If you just look at his pedigree, yes he has that and would have been a sold A hire last year. This year, it's a risk. That's neither good nor bad until he has a year to show what he can do...it just is what it is.
Can he get along with the other coaches under him, one of which is likely to be an ex college HC. Can he adjust to the different kinds of offenses he's going to see in the college ranks. Can he adjust to the different kind of athletes he'll have in the college ranks.
All these questions, and more, have not been answered, and they are questions a proven DC will have answered...so in that regard, he is a risk. If you just look at his pedigree, yes he has that and would have been a sold A hire last year. This year, it's a risk. That's neither good nor bad until he has a year to show what he can do...it just is what it is.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 1:29 am to philter
If there is one guy out there who's never been a DC before that I'd like to take a risk on (would rather not take a risk..but...), then Edwards is that guy.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 3:14 am to philter
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If there is one guy out there who's never been a DC before that I'd like to take a risk on (would rather not take a risk..but...), then Edwards is that guy.
Edwards has been a DC (for a year), and an assistant DC (for a year).
By the way, among other reasons, Saban's hiring of him at Miami likely prevented Edwards from being LSU's DC for 2005. At the point of the hire, Les reportedly wanted to bring Clay over, but was told "No bend but don't break defenses at LSU." So the search opened up, and we ended up with Pelini. However, Edwards was right in the mix then.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 3:22 am to Ace Midnight
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Edwards has been a DC (for a year), and an assistant DC (for a year).
By the way, among other reasons, Saban's hiring of him at Miami likely prevented Edwards from being LSU's DC for 2005. At the point of the hire, Les reportedly wanted to bring Clay over, but was told "No bend but don't break defenses at LSU." So the search opened up, and we ended up with Pelini. However, Edwards was right in the mix then.
My post clearly was about college DCs:
quote:
a mistake not hiring a proven college DC.
I know Edwards was in the mix in 05, I've stated that many times here and on other forums.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 3:32 am to philter
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My post clearly was about college DCs:
You sure about that? You said it one time, then dropped the "college", and thereafter referred to Edwards as either an "unproven" DC (without specifying college) or a guy with "No DC experience."
I agree, after digging through a couple of posts, you made that distinction early, but I'm hard pressed to find justification for "clearly", especially with regards to my response.
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I know Edwards was in the mix in 05, I've stated that many times here and on other forums.
Again, I hardly think I was being critical for something that you might or might not have said in other threads or on other forums. You did, in this thread, straight up mention that he was in consideration when Miles was naming his first DC. If I slighted your, or misrepresented you, in any way, I humbly, truly, sincerely, and regretfully apologize.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 5:20 am to Ace Midnight
You didn't slight me, it's all good...just the way message boards work you have to keep all your bases covered. You never know when something posted will show up again in another thread, so it's better to clear it up asap!
Posted on 12/29/08 at 6:28 am to philter
So if he IS the guy, why again are we waiting to announce? Syracuse grabbed the Saints OC before the season was over, oh, wait, it was over 3 weeks ago. Never mind.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 8:16 am to AlaTiger
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Parcells knows what he's doing far more than Saban does, and that's saying a lot. I'd have to trust those guys that Edwards can coach. Plus, anyone with NFL ties like that is going to get the attention of 18-20 year old kids who want to make it to the League.
I don't see it being much of a risk, honestly.
coaching a position is 1 thing
scheming/calling a D is something else
Posted on 12/29/08 at 8:31 am to Icansee4miles
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So if he IS the guy, why again are we waiting to announce? Syracuse grabbed the Saints OC before the season was over, oh, wait, it was over 3 weeks ago. Never mind.
Syracuse had no reason to wait. LSU does. Don't expect news prior to the bowl game.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
He was a DC before at Washington. Schemeing NFL probably a little tougher than college. Learned from great coaches, so not so bad.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 8:39 am to moneyg
Edwards has spent some time with the Wildcat in Miami, maybe he picked up a way to stop it.
Looked like his one year as a DC was fairly putrid...with some fairly decent talent on defense in Trotter, Arrington, Armstead, Bailey, Smoot.....kinda concerning in that regard.
Looked like his one year as a DC was fairly putrid...with some fairly decent talent on defense in Trotter, Arrington, Armstead, Bailey, Smoot.....kinda concerning in that regard.
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