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Don't want Jimbo?...let me break it down for you fools
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:24 am
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:24 am
**I posted this a while back, but feel it's necessary every few weeks to put a little perspective into the idiocy shown on this board.**
Who are the best coaches out there? I don't think anyone will argue much with these:
-Saban
-Meyer
-Harbaugh
Those guys are sure fire home runs, who you'd expect to win a NC in a few years. But we all agree these guys are completely unattainable.
After that let's look at other proven winners. Coaches with either Natty hardware, runner's up, big bowl wins, etc. You'll notice that things get messy quick.
-Jimbo
-Stoops
-Dabo
-Chip Kelley (the only NFL guy who I think would consider coming back to college)
-Les Miles (yes, his resume is up there)
-Mark Richt
-David Shaw
-Brian Kelly
-Chris Peterson
Look at those guys and you'll see HUGE flaws in each. Every single one you could point out specific games and years that would make you question their coaching ability.
After that, you have more "unproven" guys with much potential, or proven winners but with baggage. A few would be the following:
-Herman
-Fleck
-Petrino
-Briles
-Fedora
-Gundy
Again, all of those guys you could argue hard against based on some negative factors.
After that it's a fricking crap shoot. You have no idea what you're gonna get. Really, other than the top 3 guys it's a crap shoot. They could all fail miserably.
Another thing you'll notice is Ed O is nowhere on that list. His resume doesn't even sniff any of those guys', even with all of their flaws. Let that sink in for a second for all the O pumpers.
All of this is to point out to the idiots who say they don't want Jimbo (or Herman) based off of some recent games, or whatever other shite they want to bring up, that the pool of top level coaches for a top flight program is TINY.
If you can pull one of those guys, or in LSU's case swap one out for another, you go after it. It's the smart and logical decision. Saban and Meyer don't grow on trees. If it doesn't work out there's really not much else you could've done besides get lucky on some unknown up and comer.
Who are the best coaches out there? I don't think anyone will argue much with these:
-Saban
-Meyer
-Harbaugh
Those guys are sure fire home runs, who you'd expect to win a NC in a few years. But we all agree these guys are completely unattainable.
After that let's look at other proven winners. Coaches with either Natty hardware, runner's up, big bowl wins, etc. You'll notice that things get messy quick.
-Jimbo
-Stoops
-Dabo
-Chip Kelley (the only NFL guy who I think would consider coming back to college)
-Les Miles (yes, his resume is up there)
-Mark Richt
-David Shaw
-Brian Kelly
-Chris Peterson
Look at those guys and you'll see HUGE flaws in each. Every single one you could point out specific games and years that would make you question their coaching ability.
After that, you have more "unproven" guys with much potential, or proven winners but with baggage. A few would be the following:
-Herman
-Fleck
-Petrino
-Briles
-Fedora
-Gundy
Again, all of those guys you could argue hard against based on some negative factors.
After that it's a fricking crap shoot. You have no idea what you're gonna get. Really, other than the top 3 guys it's a crap shoot. They could all fail miserably.
Another thing you'll notice is Ed O is nowhere on that list. His resume doesn't even sniff any of those guys', even with all of their flaws. Let that sink in for a second for all the O pumpers.
All of this is to point out to the idiots who say they don't want Jimbo (or Herman) based off of some recent games, or whatever other shite they want to bring up, that the pool of top level coaches for a top flight program is TINY.
If you can pull one of those guys, or in LSU's case swap one out for another, you go after it. It's the smart and logical decision. Saban and Meyer don't grow on trees. If it doesn't work out there's really not much else you could've done besides get lucky on some unknown up and comer.
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Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:26 am to rintintin
So Harbaugh is above Jimbo even though he hasn't won shite? Makes sense.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:27 am to rintintin
How has that worked out for A&M?
Hired the up and comer from the same school Herman is at.
Hired the up and comer from the same school Herman is at.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 9:28 am
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:27 am to rintintin
Respect your reasoning. Disagree with your conclusion. Your definition of "proven" is an issue. Some people are looking at what Jimbo is doing now. Loss to UH in January. Blowout loss to Louisville (very little offensive production), a team that Herman man handled.
Is he a good choice, yes. Best choice, I'm not alone when I say, I dont think so.
Is he a good choice, yes. Best choice, I'm not alone when I say, I dont think so.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 9:38 am
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:27 am to Iron Lion
really hope Urban beats the shite out of Harbaugh.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:29 am to Chad504boy
So do I
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:29 am to Chad504boy
Harbaugh really has never won shite... No conference or national titles
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:30 am to GermantownTiger
not even the best harbaugh, his brother beat him in the super bowl .
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:33 am to Chad504boy
Well, Mich is probably going to have to play their backup, in which case they will get smoked. But, you guys are right, Jim sucks. 
Back to OP, has a NC coach ever been hired away from the school he won the title at? This has to be almost unprecedented. Anybody who looks down on the opportunity to do that in an idiot.
Back to OP, has a NC coach ever been hired away from the school he won the title at? This has to be almost unprecedented. Anybody who looks down on the opportunity to do that in an idiot.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 9:34 am
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:34 am to Iron Lion
quote:
So Harbaugh is above Jimbo even though he hasn't won shite? Makes sense.
I put Harbaugh above Jimbo because I think 99% of people would be ok with that hire. Say what you want about hardware, but he has proven he can make any team (college and pro) compete for championships.
Put him where you want, I don't care. It doesn't take away the point of my thread. Actually, makes my case even stronger if you put Jimbo over Harbaugh.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:37 am to ellessuuuu
quote:
How has that worked out for A&M?
Hired the up and comer from the same school Herman is at.
I don't know what point you're trying to make. I clearly said it's a crap shoot after the top 3 or so guys.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:38 am to rintintin
Not to parse his words too, too much, but Alleva's comments in this recent Tiger Rag piece are pretty telling:
What we "know" about Jimbo is he has a proven ability to handle high-intensity situations and succeed.
-Thrive under a grinder of a HC like Saban? Check.
-Not just survive but excel at his first HC job at a storied program following a legend? Big, big check. Maybe not his "dream job", but he excelled in a situation that most wouldn't.
-Handle distractions, on and off the field, and win a national title (and make the playoffs the next season as well)? Check.
Add in the fact that he's coached at LSU before, and therefore has actual experience as to what that means (fans, administration, coaching in the SEC West), and he's without peer, given the context of Alleva's comments and the fact that anyone else who "fits" this mold is unattainable.
quote:
You don’t know how they’re going to react,” Alleva says of coaching hires. “You don’t know how they are going to change. Sometimes people get a job, and it’s their dream job – I’ve had this happen before. I was with a guy. He worked his arse off to get the job. He worked and worked and worked. Then he got the job, and he totally changed. You never know how people are going to react to a situation you put them in
What we "know" about Jimbo is he has a proven ability to handle high-intensity situations and succeed.
-Thrive under a grinder of a HC like Saban? Check.
-Not just survive but excel at his first HC job at a storied program following a legend? Big, big check. Maybe not his "dream job", but he excelled in a situation that most wouldn't.
-Handle distractions, on and off the field, and win a national title (and make the playoffs the next season as well)? Check.
Add in the fact that he's coached at LSU before, and therefore has actual experience as to what that means (fans, administration, coaching in the SEC West), and he's without peer, given the context of Alleva's comments and the fact that anyone else who "fits" this mold is unattainable.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:43 am to prepsportsallday
quote:
Respect your reasoning. Disagree with your conclusion. Your definition of "proven" is an issue. Some people are looking at what Jimbo is doing now. Loss to UH in January. Blowout loss to Louisville (very little offensive production), a team that Herman man handled.
Is he a good choice, yes. Best choice, I'm not along when I say, I dont think so.
I never really concluded anything. The point is Jimbo is a good logical hire. He may not be the "best", but there's really no clear case for any of the coaches above being the "best".
They could all succeed or be busts.
Based on the evidence at hand, Jimbo is a good hire.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:52 am to rintintin
If you want people to listen to your way too long rant, you should start out by not insulting them. Just a suggestion. Do with it what you wish. 
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:53 am to rintintin
Getting Fisher would be HUGE coup for LSU. Taking a championship level coach from another power program simply just doesn't happen anymore. Beliema to Ark is probably the closest thing to that happening in recent memory and I think most would agree Fisher's accomplishments at FSU far exceed what Bert did at Wisc.
Just look at some of the most recent coaching hires:
Georgia - Alabama DC
Tenn. - Cincinnati HC after firing a former La. Tech HC
Auburn - Ark. St. HC; Before that, the Iowa St. HC with a losing record
Texas - Louisville HC
Notre Dame - Cincinnati HC
USC - Interim HC
Florida - Texas DC, then Colorado St. HC
Penn St. - Vandy HC
Michigan (before Harbaugh) SDSU HC
Those are some of the winingest programs in college football history with tons of money and prestige. They all made "underwhelming" hires according to fans.
Texas was going to get Saban (didn't happen)
Who wouldn't want the Florida or USC jobs (apparently a lot of people)
Notre Dame could get ANY coach in America (as long as he was the Cincinnati HC)
Spare me the Saban/Harbaugh/Meyer argument. Bama/Mich/OSU didn't "take" those guys from another power conf. program like LSU would be doing with Fisher. Two were out of work as HCs and one was considering an opportunity to get back to college football. Those schools hit the lottery with regard to timing. And remember, Bama had to wade through the Dubose/Franccione/Price/Shula abyss before Saban. Michigan basically had to kick Carr out and then live through Rich Rod and Hoke. They also tried TWICE to lure away a proud alum who also happened to be a championship level HC at another power conf. They couldn't do it!
LSU getting Fisher would be almost unprecedented in this era of college football
Just look at some of the most recent coaching hires:
Georgia - Alabama DC
Tenn. - Cincinnati HC after firing a former La. Tech HC
Auburn - Ark. St. HC; Before that, the Iowa St. HC with a losing record
Texas - Louisville HC
Notre Dame - Cincinnati HC
USC - Interim HC
Florida - Texas DC, then Colorado St. HC
Penn St. - Vandy HC
Michigan (before Harbaugh) SDSU HC
Those are some of the winingest programs in college football history with tons of money and prestige. They all made "underwhelming" hires according to fans.
Texas was going to get Saban (didn't happen)
Who wouldn't want the Florida or USC jobs (apparently a lot of people)
Notre Dame could get ANY coach in America (as long as he was the Cincinnati HC)
Spare me the Saban/Harbaugh/Meyer argument. Bama/Mich/OSU didn't "take" those guys from another power conf. program like LSU would be doing with Fisher. Two were out of work as HCs and one was considering an opportunity to get back to college football. Those schools hit the lottery with regard to timing. And remember, Bama had to wade through the Dubose/Franccione/Price/Shula abyss before Saban. Michigan basically had to kick Carr out and then live through Rich Rod and Hoke. They also tried TWICE to lure away a proud alum who also happened to be a championship level HC at another power conf. They couldn't do it!
LSU getting Fisher would be almost unprecedented in this era of college football
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:55 am to Iron Lion
quote:
So Harbaugh is above Jimbo even though he hasn't won shite? Makes sense.
Maybe that's projecting out further than we've seen, but he has turned that program SHARPLY in the right direction. He certainly seems to be headed there, but today, you're right.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:20 am to rintintin
Solid post. I know people will spit on it, but it's true dat stuff.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:30 am to Alt26
quote:
LSU getting Fisher would be almost unprecedented in this era of college football
But, but, but we are LSU and we will accept nothing but the very best.
After all, we didn't fire a guy winning almost 80% with two national championship games to settle for anything less than a HR hire...right.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:41 am to prepsportsallday
quote:
I'm not alone when I say, I dont think so.
Well it's too bad nobody cares what you say.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:43 am to Iron Lion
Jimbo isn't in harbaugh ballpark. When you look at what he did at Stanford it's crazy then when you look at where he has Michigan in his 2nd year there and to throw in the unbelievable run he had in the NFL. Honestly you have saban, Myers, and harbaugh then everybody else is far below them. Then you can say jimbo, stoops, miles, and sumlin, franklin, and gundy. All have been very successful but not really at those top 3's level. Just my opinion
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