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Carr-Miles Rift: Jai Eugene in the middle?
Posted on 12/9/07 at 8:59 am
Posted on 12/9/07 at 8:59 am
It's been reported on multiple occasions that Lloyd Carr was and has never been in Les Miles' corner to replace him as head coach at Michigan. I've seen several reports out of Detroit and one NY Times article that mentioned the recruiting battle between the two universities over Jai Eugene, that ultimately ended when Eugene bailed on Michigan and signed with the Tigers.
What could have transpired during Eugene's recruiting that would have soured Carr to such a degree that it would ultimately lead his university into such a tailspin (from a coaching standpoint)?
What could have transpired during Eugene's recruiting that would have soured Carr to such a degree that it would ultimately lead his university into such a tailspin (from a coaching standpoint)?
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Posted on 12/9/07 at 9:08 am to WMTigerFAN
Les told Carr we needed Jai to wave the towel for the Tigers. 
Posted on 12/9/07 at 9:10 am to WMTigerFAN
Supposedly Miles used "negative recruiting" by mentioning Carr's medical condition and questioning how long he'd be coaching at Michigan (or something like that).
Posted on 12/9/07 at 9:11 am to Tiger JED
A player changing his NON BINDING commitment happens all the time in the SEC, and would guess everywhere else in the country. If THAT is what bothers Carr, he would get eaten alive in SEC recruiting. Jai has a child here in La. and from all accounts, that was the over riding reason he changed his mind, not anything underhanded Coach Miles did.
Posted on 12/9/07 at 9:18 am to WMTigerFAN
Oh well. Over the course of his career Jai will win more games at LSU than if he went to Michigan, has a conference chamionship ring, possibly a national championship ring, while the Michigan program is fading into obscurity and getting beat by their top rival every year.
And if the thing about Carr was Les Miles' recruiting pitch well... he turned out to be right.
And if the thing about Carr was Les Miles' recruiting pitch well... he turned out to be right.
Posted on 12/9/07 at 9:59 am to Carlos
Um yeah ole Lloyd doesn't seem to be all right upstairs. Heard an Ohio State fan say Les told Jai that Lloyd had Parkinson's.
Posted on 12/9/07 at 10:04 am to Carlos
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And if the thing about Carr was Les Miles' recruiting pitch well... he turned out to be right.
I agree that Eugene only said he would play at Michigan next year so Miles had every right to sign him. Carr should have been more aggressive IMO. My question is why would you get upset with Miles if he were to leave for Michigan. I know he said he will coach LSU next year.
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Um yeah ole Lloyd doesn't seem to be all right upstairs. Heard an Ohio State fan say Les told Jai that Lloyd had Parkinson's.
That is a tough one to digest if that is the case
This post was edited on 12/9/07 at 10:05 am
Posted on 12/9/07 at 10:47 am to MichiganMan
its competition.
does that mean Carr is scared or hates some competition. They just expect players to want to play for Michigan.
does that mean Carr is scared or hates some competition. They just expect players to want to play for Michigan.
Posted on 12/9/07 at 11:31 am to prplhze2000
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does that mean Carr is scared or hates some competition. They just expect players to want to play for Michigan.
Agreed... This is one of the reasons I wanted Miles to coach Michigan. He flat out recruits... He won't just sit there and say you have to come here because we are Michigan. I hope the next coach understands this.
Posted on 12/10/07 at 5:25 am to MichiganMan
Carr also refused to politic to the voters last year about why they deserved to play Ohio State instead of Florida.
That Old School crap can only take you so far these days. Does he still have a rotary dial phone in his office?
That Old School crap can only take you so far these days. Does he still have a rotary dial phone in his office?
Posted on 12/10/07 at 3:00 pm to TheChamp
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Heard an Ohio State fan say Les told Jai that Lloyd had Parkinson's.
The word on the street here in MI is that Carr has MS.
Posted on 12/10/07 at 4:54 pm to MichiganTiger
Barksdale was another sure fire Meeeeshegan recruit from Detroit that is playing for the Great LSU.
Posted on 12/10/07 at 5:59 pm to WMTigerFAN
I don't think Jai Eugene is worth beefing over
Posted on 12/10/07 at 11:06 pm to geauxtigersbeb
Barksdale NEVER had UM listed among his choices. He did have MSU listed. A UM friend of mine assumed that he clearly must have crappy grades then...until I showed him Barksdale's stellar academic numbers and pointed out that Barksdale was applying for early entry with those numbers so he could attend Spring football. He practically wept!!!!
It was BEAUTIFUL!!!
It was BEAUTIFUL!!!
Posted on 12/10/07 at 11:08 pm to MichiganTiger
yea we went head to head really with tOSU for Barksdale. Probably the most impressive recruiting steal we've gotten in the Miles era.
Posted on 12/11/07 at 8:23 am to TheChamp
Wasn't Barksdale Cornell Stewarts back-up? If Barksdale is so good, why in the world wasn't he starting? 
Posted on 12/11/07 at 8:45 am to mtemplet
1.Freshmen
2.Former Defensive Lineman (not nearly as taxing on the noodle)
3.Complex Offense (compared to high school)
4.Adjusting to SEC speed
5. Stewart is a pretty good run blocker
2.Former Defensive Lineman (not nearly as taxing on the noodle)
3.Complex Offense (compared to high school)
4.Adjusting to SEC speed
5. Stewart is a pretty good run blocker
Posted on 12/11/07 at 9:05 am to Rotiger
I am just glad that he is finally gone(stewart). I wonder how many false starts he got this year.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
This post was edited on 12/11/07 at 9:06 am
Posted on 12/11/07 at 10:53 am to WMTigerFAN
Who would have ever thought (and ahh the complete irony of it all), that a 19 y.o. recruit, who isn't even that good (and may not ever see the field as a starter for LSU), has affected the head coaching positions of two of the most dominant and storied programs in CFB history- potentially changing the fate of both programs for years to come?
Posted on 12/11/07 at 11:12 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Jai didn't go to Michigan because he had a baby, and wanted to be close to his kid, so he chose LSU. Carr could have taken it the wrong way. Who knows.
This post was edited on 12/11/07 at 11:17 am
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