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Mafia discussion thread and reviews

Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:43 pm
Posted by Jones
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:43 pm
I dont know if this is a popular topic among book readers but I have always been into reading about the mafia and I think its the most interesting sub-genre of crime.

After reading a good amount of books, you realize that you arent dealing with 100% non-fiction. Many of the books are written straight from the mouth/brain of the subject and they are criminals so the truth is bent many times in their favor. Regardless, the stories and books are fascinating. The amount of power and money the mob had(somewhat has now) was unbelievable. They had their hands in everything from politics, gambling, drugs, construction, unions, etc. At one time in their history, if you considered them a legit company (meaning all the large families and associates), they would be #1 on the Fortune 500 list and 2nd only to the U.S. Federal Govt in terms of power and money.

If you have read some books that I havent put in here, list them if you can. Im looking for new stuff to read. If you havent read any of these or any of the topic in general, I would highly suggest this first book. Its basically the encyclopedia of the five families in New York and how they came about. It includes the history dating all the way back to Italy and why the gangs originally formed. Its good to read because it kind of lays a foundation for reading other books about specific people or incidents. Plenty of the books are about rats because they have been some of the only people to release info about the mob. Yea rats are scum to the mob but you do see their side of the story in these books and you feel for the situations they were in. Some had nothing to do but rat or go take a dirtnap. Fwiw, ive gotten all of these books off of Amazon

Five Families by Selwynn Raab

Once again, pretty much the encyclopedia on the history of the five families in NYC. Even though my description refers it as an encyclopedia, the author is very good at giving the information like a story. I would say he spends equal time on each family and includes all of the wars, big time hits, arrests, etc that shaped the families. My only gripe about the book was that not much time was spent on pre-1950 as the later years. I think this had to do more with having a book that was factually correct. I dont think he wanted to include hearsay and rumors in his book, unlike many other books that are included here. The author includes all the way up to post 9/11 ending around 2005. It is a long book(700 pages), but I breezed through it in about a week or so.

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The Ice Man:Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer
by Philip Carlo

I chose this book because I had watched the HBO documentary series on him years ago and he just came across as a ruthless killer with no remorse. He was born in a home with an extremely abusive dad and the years of punishment molded this guy into a serial killer. He used to go into a seedy area of NYC and kill homeless people for practice/fun. At the time, the cops thought there was just a sort of war among the homeless so they just ignored the situation because no one cares about the homeless. So Richard(the hit man) became an expert on killing people and climbed the ranks of small criminal to eventually becoming a hit man for all five families and even new jersey and I think Philly. All this while portraying himself as a family man to the neighbors and community. This book was a cant put it down type of book. The author is a step above all of the other book's authors mentioned in here. We are getting these confessions from a psychopath so some of the stories are false(the author mentions a few in the book right after the story is told). Regardless, the book is an eye opener into how cold some people can be. He confessed to around 100 murders but some people put his number closer to 200 deaths.

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Gaspipe: Confessions of a Mafia Boss by Philip Carlo

Another great book by Carlo. What made this book different was that the author's family was next door neighbors to the Casso family. Anthony Casso is 'Gaspipe'. The authors parents were pretty much the only straight people the Casso's ever associated with. This guy went from a soldier to the boss by violence and being a top earner to a rat in what seemed like no time. This guy was responsible for around 50 murders, had cops on his payroll who actually killed for him, and was a figure in the mob that no one messed with. Him going informer was a mixture of payback and other details that you will find out. What you really find out in this book is how crooked the government can be.





The Butcher: Anatomy of a Mafia Psychopath
by Philip Carlo

Another gem by Carlo. The title says it all. Tommy 'Karate' Pitera was a freaking maniac with a license to kill. Responsible for around 70 murders or so, this guy had his own cemetery in a wildlife refuge where he would dispose of his bodies. This guy ran a crew that was so scared of him that they killed in fear of him killing them. This guy didnt just kill his victims. He would kill and take apart their bodies and did some grotesque things to said bodies. The pursuit and capture of Karate was just as crazy as him. Well close to it. This book and the book above are quick reads. 300 pages and can be done in 2 days.



Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:43 pm to

The Enforcer Spilotro: The Chicago Mob's Man Over Las Vegas
by William F. Roemer

The story of Joe Pesci's character in Casino. The author was a veteran FBI agent that worked the case on the 'Ant' and the Chicago Outfit. Book covers Tony's rise and fall in Chicago and Vegas and how he ended up in a cornfield when it was all said and done. This guy was pretty amazing at keeping himself out of jail, considering the amount of criminal activity he was involved in.





Murder Machine
by Gene Mustain and Jerry Capeci

One of the best books in this genre. The book is about Roy Demeo's gang of killers but the story is told through Dominick, who was the nephew of a captain that was right under the boss, Paul Castellano. Initially, I was upset that it was written like this but at the end, I was glad they did. Dominick's story is one where you feel and side with his criminal activity and you keep reading because every chapter has you wondering what the hell could possibly come next. Demeo's gang was the epitome of stone cold killers. No telling how many people they killed. Wiseguys say maybe 200 plus, the feds say 100+ easily. They basically operated a murder company for 10 years. 500 page book that I couldnt get through fast enough.




Boss of Bosses: The FBI and Paul Castellano
by Joe O'Brien and Andris Kurins

I went into this book not wanting to like it because I think Paul was a bad boss and I dont like how he did things, but damn was I wrong. This book is told from the FBI point of view. Both authors were on the team that were after Big Paul. As the FBI is making their case against Paul, a relationship sort of starts to develop between them and him without Paul knowing. The book includes plenty of the actual conversations when they bugged his mansion. Definitely worth a read and I ended up almost feeling sorry for the mob boss at the end.





Little Man: Meyer Lansky and the Gangster Life


One of the most interesting people in the criminal world. This book is a good indicator of how bad the media has always been. This guys life was all over the news for years with so much made up information that it was laughable. This guy was so powerful that the government sought his assistance(and other gangsters) in their fight against the Nazis. The book covers his entire life and is very accurate. The author spent plenty of time with Meyer and his family getting correct info. Meyer was the thinking man's gangster. Great book from start to finish.

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Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:44 pm to
read a good amount more so I will include them a little later
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:02 pm to
I've only read two mob books, one being Joe Pistone's book about the Donnie Braso operation and the other being Havana Nocture, about the mob's control of Vegas from 1940ish to Castro seized power. Pistones book was interesting but too simplified IMO, he kept reiterating throughout that the FBI were the "good guys" and the mob were the bad. Well, no shite. Crazy how close he came to being made, though.

Havana Nocture was great, the mafia was about 5 years from total control of Havana.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:36 pm to
Yea I kind of have the Pistone book way down the line.

The Havana book sounds good. In the book about Meyer Lansky, they talk a good deal about the casinos in Cuba. I never realized how involved the US was down there. In the Lansky book, Meyer had meetings with the Feds about Castro and the rebels and their rise, but it was dismissed because they thought he was trying to get his money out of Cuba safely when the rebels were gaining strength.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:03 pm to
Definitely recommend reading it, really gives a good example of mafia power circa 1940-60.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:19 pm to
Good deal. I'm gonna order it and read it soon
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:23 pm to
Posted by Kafka
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:58 pm to
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The Ice Man:Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer by Philip Carlo


I read this book a few years ago. I noticed some contradictions in his claims that made me question the veracity of his story

I did enjoy the part where, after supposedly murdering scores of people, he apologized for using anti-gay slurs. I guess he didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:16 am to
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I read this book a few years ago. I noticed some contradictions in his claims that made me question the veracity of his story


His Demeo story is bullshite and the cafe boss shooting is bullshite also.

It cheapens the book and his story but I look at this book as an eye into a demented killer.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:21 am to


One of the earliest of the Mafia exposes (1971), written by a celebrated practitioner of the "New Journalism"

I believe the relationship between don Joe Bonnano and his son Bill (a college man who was even in ROTC) helped inspire Puzo to create the characters Vito and Michael Corleone (also inspired by Joe Kennedy and sons)
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:26 am to
I have the book. I haven't read it yet.

Another son book I have is Demeo's son's book.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:52 am to
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I believe the relationship between don Joe Bonnano and his son Bill (a college man who was even in ROTC) helped inspire Puzo to create the characters Vito and Michael Corleone (also inspired by Joe Kennedy and sons)


Iirc, bonnano's voice was the inspiration for the godfathers odd speech.
Posted by AUveritas
Member since Aug 2013
2918 posts
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:43 am to
"The State Line Mob" by W.R. Morris is a pretty good (albeit quick) read on the so called Dixie Mafia that ran afoul of Sheriff Buford Pusser.
Posted by nes2010
Member since Jun 2014
6753 posts
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:48 am to
Anyone have a good book about the Sicilian mafia that focuses on the roots and maybe up to post WWII era? I've seen books about Toto Riina but I want the older stuff. I read The Sicilian and it got me interested in this. Decent follow up to The Godfather but I didn't think much of inserting Michael Corleone into the story for basically no reason.
Posted by lacajun069
franklinton
Member since Sep 2008
2086 posts
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:04 pm to
The Pritzi books are a good read.

Pritzi Honor
Pritzi Glory
Pritzi Family
Posted by Fatal Conceit
Ramblin down that dusty ole road
Member since Jun 2017
594 posts
Posted on 6/30/17 at 4:33 pm to
LINK

State Line Mob by W R Morris

Dixie Mafia in Al, Ms, Tn and La.
Posted by BCMCubs
Colorado
Member since Nov 2011
22146 posts
Posted on 6/30/17 at 4:45 pm to
I have read all of the ones in the OP. Five Families was awesome. Couldnt put it down. Enjoyed the one on Gaspipe too
Posted by TIGERSTORM
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:24 pm to
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Murder Machine by Gene Mustain and Jerry Capeci 


I was gonna recommend this one. It's been a while but it's a good read.

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Boss of Bosses: The FBI and Paul Castellano


I haven't read this one but I always kinda felt bad for Castellano. I don't think he was a good boss and it was hard not to be enthralled by Gotti and how flashy he was.

My fav period of Mafia books would be the Meyer Lansky, Frank Costello, Lucky Luciano era.
Posted by Paul Allen
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 7/1/17 at 11:34 am to
You're welcome
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