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re: Commie Pope Francis Tells 60 Minutes that Conservativism Is “A Suicidal Attitude”
Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:49 pm to RockoRou
Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:49 pm to RockoRou
This current pope seems to care more about advancing the liberal progressive agenda than he does saving souls. In fact, i'd argue he's pushed more people away from the Catholic Church than to it.
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:50 pm to Night Vision
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Commie Pope Francis Tells 60 Minutes that Conservativism Is “A Suicidal Attitude”
That man is as lost as Joe Biden.
This post was edited on 5/17/24 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:56 pm to chili pup
Letting a Jesuit run the show..was akin to "We just want legal marriage, health insurance, and tax breaks"..
Bergoglio Papacy a slippery slope akin to Drag Queen Library Hour..
Now we know why Jesuits were always accoutrement..and not The HNIC.
Bergoglio Papacy a slippery slope akin to Drag Queen Library Hour..
Now we know why Jesuits were always accoutrement..and not The HNIC.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 2:29 pm to BugAC
He's OK with giving blessings to gays and trannys but does't mention the gay priests, which have been part of the Catholic Church since the 60's, for sure. Such a hypocrite. What can you expect, he's from Argentina, one of the most Liberal countries in the world.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 2:34 pm to Cuz413
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Vatican tightens COVID-19 rules for offices of Roman Curia
From Thursday, people seeking to enter the offices of the Roman Curia must provide either proof of vaccination against COVID-19 or evidence of recovery from it.
This Pope decreed it a moral obligation for us to follow the word of Governmental bureaucrats. Let that sink in. Then ask yourself if Jesus would tell his followers to openly do whatever it is Pontius Pilate and Caesar want them todo.
When did the Pope make a change to anything in the Catechism regarding Covid vaccinations? Was the vaccine policy misguided? Yes.
Have the Pope and Church been extremely clear on issues that run against the "bureaucrats" such as IVF, abortion, contraception, female "priests", homosexual marriage, elective suicide, artisnal mining in Africa?
Posted on 5/17/24 at 2:43 pm to Auburn1968
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Yet he represents the radical left that has a history of failed economies, mass murders and corruption.
You confuse his idyllic ramblings on the environment with an American political categorization.
Did you read any of the encyclicals or his statements with an understanding of past Papal messages like Rerum Novarum? It is easy for the American to see the Pope's words on the environment and think it is an attack on our SUVs, energy sector, and an attempt at wading into US domestic politics.
Sure, I bet he does have an opinion about us. Still, much of what he has said regarding the environment is very much true when you consider that he is also talking about horrific battery material mining and Chinese manufacturing processes.
I am not a Greenpeace devotee and am no lover of the EPA, but you can be honest and realize that he 1) doesn't just talk to Americans and 2) is not saying anything that we aren't thinking when he discusses the real harm that some economic activities are having to large portions of the earth.
Do you think it is evil when kids are mining toxic stuff out of the earth in slave conditions in the Congo, all in the name of allowing first world hippies to live "green" lives?
Do you think it is evil when China poisons the lands, waters, and air to make cheap stuff?
Posted on 5/17/24 at 2:49 pm to RockoRou
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He's OK with giving blessings to gays and trannys but does't mention the gay priests, which have been part of the Catholic Church since the 60's, for sure. Such a hypocrite.
Reuters article to hear what Pope actually has said re: gay priests
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VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be admitted to the Catholic clergy, and it would be better for priests who are actively gay to leave rather than lead a double life, Pope Francis says in a new book.
While he has previously spoken of the need for better screening of candidates for the religious life, his comments suggesting that priests who cannot keep their vows of celibacy should leave are some of his clearest to date.
Francis made the comments in a book-length interview with Spanish priest Fernando Prado called "The Strength of Vocation", in which he discusses the challenges of being a priest or nun today.
Francis said in the book that homosexuality in the Church "is something that worries me". It is due to be published this week in several languages. An advance copy of the Italian version was made available to Reuters.
Francis said there was "no room for this" in the lives of priests and nuns, adding that the Church had to be "demanding" in choosing candidates for what is known as the consecrated life.
"For this reason, the Church urges that persons with this rooted tendency not be accepted into (priestly) ministry or consecrated life," he said.
"BETTER TO LEAVE"
He urged homosexuals who are already priests or nuns to be celibate and responsible to avoid creating scandal. "It is better that they leave the priesthood or the consecrated life rather than live a double life," he said.
You are either misinformed or a liar. There are plenty of reasons for legitimate criticism of the Pope. You are resorting to lies.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 2:51 pm to Night Vision
Some context would be useful here. In the linked article, the conservatism he was talking about was religious in nature, not political - he talked about religious conservatives being boxed in and unwilling to change.
Now, I don’t like the direction he wants to take the church as progressive churches become godless churches and their positive contributions to society diminish as they become more progressive.
Now, I don’t like the direction he wants to take the church as progressive churches become godless churches and their positive contributions to society diminish as they become more progressive.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:04 pm to ChEgrad
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Some context would be useful here. In the linked article, the conservatism he was talking about was religious in nature, not political - he talked about religious conservatives being boxed in and unwilling to change.
This poster approaches the gateway pundit cherry picking with honesty.
First, we don't have a full transcript of what was said. 60 minutes ran a soundbite. I am sure 60 minutes has zero agenda in their reporting. Second, it appears as if the Pope's categorization of "conservatives" applies Church opponents who are considered "conservative" within a Church context.
Do I think it is good for the Pope to use 60 minutes to opine on issues within the Church? Hell no. Is this an example of the Pope calling out Lion Ted, William Buckley, or Pat Buchanan? It almost certainly isn't. Is this an example, yet again, of this board adopting whatever the media spews out about Francis? For sure.
Consider this: the overwhelming majority if you don't believe a damn thing that the MSM says with respect to global warming, foreign policy, or public health (and for good reason). At the same time, whenever NPR, CNN, CBS or others report on issues of the Vatican Politalk users race to be first to adopt the MSM "interpretation" of the Pope's comments or Vatican's outputs.
So, do you trust them (MSM) or not?
This post was edited on 5/17/24 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:13 pm to Foch
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Does he use ambiguous language that gets walked back/clarified? Yes.
I read his interaction with Norah O’Donnell. I actually agree with what he says- just not in the context that he said it.
Norah O’Donnell: “There are conservative bishops in the United States that oppose your new efforts to revisit teachings and traditions. How do you address their criticism?”
Pope Francis: “You use an adjective – “conservative.” That is conservative is one who clings to something and does not want to see beyond that. It is a suicidal attitude. Because one thing is to take tradition into account. To consider situations from the past. But quite another to be closed up inside a dogmatic box.”
He’s not wrong. But, look who he’s talking to. Look at how, and by whom, his ambiguous language gets used, and the results of that use. In my opinion, he’s using Christian ideology to destroy Christian ideology. He’s not just a liberal- he’s a Marxist. He’s either just a useful idiot, or he’s actively supporting the destruction of America and the traditional Christian faith.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:18 pm to Foch
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Do I think it is good for the Pope to use 60 minutes to opine on issues within the Church? He'll no
Then why does he continue to do it with MSM.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:20 pm to FooManChoo
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What you're doing is condemning a Christian's view of God's word (the Bible) as being the only infallible rule for faith and life rather than accepting an illogical and impossible (to modern Christians) practice of abiding by the traditions passed on to the early church that have no historical evidence that they existed.
I am condemning with absolute certainty the man made practice of being your own magisterium.
I fully reject any idea that God's plan for his Church was to have each individual solely determining what the text means for them. When each individual has the license and Calvin/Luther/Henry VIII granted authority to determine "truth", moral relativism follows.
I know that God would not have allowed the early Church (think when Paul was still Saul) to operate in a Sola Scriptura system when there was not an inkling of binding the letters.
I pray fervently that Protestants, who know some Truth (that Jesus is Lord and the Author of our Salvation) would return to the Mother Church and stop making themselves the definer of Truth.
We've seen contraception, divorce, IVF, usury, and abortion relegated to matters of "concsience" while society burns and souls are lost. What will the next 100 years of Protestantism look like?
Good luck defending the Trinity to the next crop of nondenoms who further distance themselves from any sort of confession or synod. Enjoy trying to fend off the ideas of plural marriage when the rejection of the Sacraments has become so complete.
There is a 5 alarm fire going on in the ruins of Christendom. The fruits of Sola Scriptura are showing up to the fire armed with buckets carrying fuel, not water.
This post was edited on 5/17/24 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:21 pm to Night Vision
He is commenting on secular politics and not theology. He is a political Leftist.
He has not changed the theology and Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, based on this political personal opinion of his.
I ignore Leftists when they talk about political topics.
He has not changed the theology and Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, based on this political personal opinion of his.
I ignore Leftists when they talk about political topics.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:27 pm to STEVED00
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Then why does he continue to do it with MSM
Because Popes are not infallible in their normal daily life? Because pride or nievety are features of man?
For all of the great things he did, I do think St JP II left an unfortunate legacy of Papal celebrity and over engagement with the world through the media.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:35 pm to FooManChoo
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This makes me think that you don't understand what sola scriptura actually means.
We know exactly what it means. It means that United Methodists can be practicing homosexuals and still be pastors and still get to Heaven, according to Sola Scriptura and how these Methodists interpret the Bible.
We know that when you point to them and say "But you are reading it wrong", they are pointing back at you accusing you of the exact same thing.
Then you counter with "But you are not using proper hermeneutics to interpret the Bible". Then the Methodists accuse you of the exact same thing.
To both denominations I would remind them that according to Bible Alone as originally defined, anybody could open a Bible and discern ultimate Truth. You didn't need knowledge of any secret teachings like hermeneutics. The Gnostics taught that one needed knowledge of the Secret teachings to get to the Truth. You guys are the New Gnostics.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:46 pm to Foch
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Because Popes are not infallible in their normal daily life? Because pride or nievety are features of man? For all of the great things he did, I do think St JP II left an unfortunate legacy of Papal celebrity and over engagement with the world through the media.
Ok but with great power comes great responsibility. He continually gives interviews to secular media and that secular media person always takes his words and puts their spin on it. In order to stop the confusion, maybe he should simply stop entertaining those interviews.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:52 pm to Night Vision
Coming from a guy living day in and day out in the socialist multi culti epicenter also known as Vatican City, it’s hard to discredit everything he says.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:58 pm to ItNeverRains
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Coming from a guy living day in and day out in the socialist multi culti epicenter also known as Vatican City,
What????
Rerum Novarum. Please read it to understand the Church's position with respect to socialism.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 4:05 pm to STEVED00
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Ok but with great power comes great responsibility. He continually gives interviews to secular media and that secular media person always takes his words and puts their spin on it.
100 percent agree. If he wants to engage, he better ensure that he is precise. He doesn't, and so I criticize.
The majority of this thread is an orgy of exaggeration, poor Catechism (including some Catholics saying "not my Pope" as if they are unclear on what a sedevacantist is and why it is error), and some pretty bold lies (Francis is an actual Marxist, Francis won't talk about gay priests, Francis has changed the Church's teaching, etc).
Posted on 5/17/24 at 4:25 pm to Foch
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100 percent agree. If he wants to engage, he better ensure that he is precise. He doesn't, and so I criticize.
Him continually doing it just bothers me bc I really can get a true feel where he is coming from.
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