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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:20 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:20 pm to CitizenK
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Not at all. I'm not an ignorant dumbass to buy the far leftist/Kremlin propaganda that the CIA overthrew a government or that Eastern European nations seeking and then joining NATO was any threat to Russia.
I'm generally with you on things, except you seem to have a massive blindspot to the fact the Right is actually pushing that Kremlin propaganda with more force and more effectiveness...
The Left was kind of split on it... high profile people like Bernie Sanders and AOC supported Ukraine, and after Bucha only the most conspiracy-minded on the left went for the "false flag" explanation that NATO massacred a town to frame the Russians... that's a step too nuts for most.
Which is why Russia then put so much into getting the Left to see Israel as "Apartheid South Africa, part II," which plays more to their inclinations of framing stuff as simply "'white' colonialism = bad/brown natives = always good and excused no matter how horrible the terrorism they embark on."
And then October 7 happened... right on cue... it's almost like Hamas takes its cues from its supplier, Iran, who take their cues from their ally, Russia, isn't it?
Meanwhile, some Republican politicians are complaining and warning that some of their fellow Republican politicians are just repeating Russian propaganda to the press and into Congressional records... google that if you don't believe me or haven't heard it.
and as the result of the Ukrainian aid package vote someone else posted here showed, it was the Right politicians who voted against the package, not the Left...
and then Marjorie Traitor Greene tried to get Johnson removed as speaker for allowing the vote.
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 12:23 am
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:35 pm to doubleb
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Yeltsin didn’t last. Would Russia in NATO last?
Or would that deal last as long as the Stalin-Hitler pact? There is no way to know what might have happened; except we know Russia’s history of breaking deals, attacking their neighbors and generating chaos around the globe.
In hindsight it is apparent that Russian moves towards a democracy and a capitalist economy didn’t last at all and Russia would have been a cancer in NATO.. They just don’t play nice with others.
This is the 9th War Russia has started since 1991. Even before Putin, Yeltsin still launched wars against some Republics that tried to break away from Russia's economic and political sphere of influence.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:48 pm to NC_Tigah
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Facts not in evidence. In fact, it is very likely that given an inclusive "Marshall Plan" extended to Yeltsin at the conclusion of the Cold War, Putin would have never happened. We cannot unwind that clock, but we can learn from the outcome.
Russian military corruption and grift would not have worked out with NATO membership, and non-democratic countries can also not be members (since they are subject to dictator's whims of using military action against other states)...
Yeltsin charmed the hell out of Clinton, and Yeltsin wanted Capitalist riches in Russia... but he also just let the corrupt Communist Party leaders become the Corrupt instant Oligarchs... his government was corrupt and there was no transparency, and he was launching wars against breakaway republics like Chechnya, too...
MoscowTimes (2010): "5 Reaons why Russia will never join NATO"
(brief summary, read the entire thing):
1. NATO requires that its members have civilian and democratic control over their armed forces.
2. Russia needs NATO as an “enemy,” not as an alliance partner.
3. China. (It would put NATO bordering China, which would freak China the frick out...)
4. The Collective Security Treaty Organization, which Russia has worked so hard on since its creation in 2002 to compete with NATO for influence in the global security arena.
5. Russia’s global ambitions. Most important, Russian membership in NATO would all but mean the end of Russia’s dream of restoring its former superpower status. By joining NATO, Russia would effectively become “just another large European country” on the same level as Germany, Britain or France — a “sacrilege” for the derzhavniki, or great-power nationalists, who remember when the Soviet Union was much larger and more powerful than these three countries combined.
Number 5 gets right down to it!
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 12:05 am
Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:08 am to doubleb
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A Marshall Plan for Russia? Come on man. How stupid can you be?
That would make Russia a subordinate of the US... they would launch nukes before they ever entered into that relationship. They see themselves as our equal but superior... not as someone we would bail out.
Their dependent relationship with China now has to sting a bit... but they excuse it as a necessary evil to combat the horrid West.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:17 am to NC_Tigah
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Good Lord, NO!
Yeltsin and Putin were as similar as Biden and Trump.
Who handpicked Putin?
Yeltsin.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:35 am to Bunk Moreland
Do you support everything that woman posts on X?
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:17 am to Lee B
Posted on 5/18/24 at 3:30 am to Lee B
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
18 May 2024
On 14 May 2024 the Ukrainian Military conducted attacks against Russian military targets on the illegally held territory of Crimea. Initial reporting suggests that elements of an SA-21 Air Defence missile battery at Belbek Airfield have been destroyed including a GRAVE STONE radar and launchers. Additionally, reporting indicates that at least two MiG-31BM FOXHOUND C aircraft have been destroyed on the ground.
This is the fourth time in the last month that the Russian Air Defence in Crimea has suffered losses, with Ukrainian Armed Forces previously launching successful actions against Ai-Petri Air Defence Radar site on 12 May 2024, and at Dzhankoy airfield on 16 April 2024, and 29 April 2024. The cumulative effect of these strikes has seen an overall degradation in the ability of Russia to defend the airspace around Crimea; while simultaneously demonstrating Ukraine's ability to impact Russian Air Defence operations.
It is highly likely that this will lead to Russia having to disperse air assets to ensure survivability or risk losing more aircraft, while having to relocate Air Defence assets from elsewhere. The reduction of A-50U MAINSTAY aircraft coverage, and dispersal from Crimean airfields, will likely increase the flight hours and sortie rates of fighter aircraft patrols to gap-fill the coverage, which will lead to increased maintenance issues for their fleets.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
18 May 2024
On 14 May 2024 the Ukrainian Military conducted attacks against Russian military targets on the illegally held territory of Crimea. Initial reporting suggests that elements of an SA-21 Air Defence missile battery at Belbek Airfield have been destroyed including a GRAVE STONE radar and launchers. Additionally, reporting indicates that at least two MiG-31BM FOXHOUND C aircraft have been destroyed on the ground.
This is the fourth time in the last month that the Russian Air Defence in Crimea has suffered losses, with Ukrainian Armed Forces previously launching successful actions against Ai-Petri Air Defence Radar site on 12 May 2024, and at Dzhankoy airfield on 16 April 2024, and 29 April 2024. The cumulative effect of these strikes has seen an overall degradation in the ability of Russia to defend the airspace around Crimea; while simultaneously demonstrating Ukraine's ability to impact Russian Air Defence operations.
It is highly likely that this will lead to Russia having to disperse air assets to ensure survivability or risk losing more aircraft, while having to relocate Air Defence assets from elsewhere. The reduction of A-50U MAINSTAY aircraft coverage, and dispersal from Crimean airfields, will likely increase the flight hours and sortie rates of fighter aircraft patrols to gap-fill the coverage, which will lead to increased maintenance issues for their fleets.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 6:43 am to Lee B
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That would make Russia a subordinate of the US... they would launch nukes before they ever entered into that relationship. They see themselves as our equal but superior... not as someone we would bail out. Their dependent relationship with China now has to sting a bit... but they excuse it as a necessary evil to combat the horrid West.
That’s an extremely US-centric world view. Maybe, just maybe, other countries don’t define themselves by their relation to the US and just see us as a country they either have to deal with or work with.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 6:51 am to Bunk Moreland
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Germany deports 7 Ukrainian soldiers for wearing Nazi symbols
Why the downvotes for this comment?
Really makes you wonder.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 6:53 am to Lee B
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2. Russia needs NATO as an “enemy,” not as an alliance partner.
Spot on. Russia and NATO need each other, like Batman and the Joker. Both gotta keep their respective grifts on
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:04 am to VolSquatch
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Really makes you wonder.
Not really. See my post below it.
I'm serious, if you can find anything other than unlinked claims someone said this happened, I'll change my tune. But so far all I can find is RT, Hindustan Times and some random website even reference it. The first two are known for repeating Russian propaganda and the third just says another Russian newspaper said it happened.
Again, could it have happened? Sure. But on the surface this looks made up, but I'll eat some crow if you can find some actual source material that doesn't come from Russia
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:14 am to StormyMcMan
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Really makes you wonder.
Not really
The problem is and is exposed numerous times daily on all social media platforms, the majority of the public is clueless, regardless of nationality, and anything appealing to biases no matter how wrong it is will be swallowed hook, line and sinker.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 9:08 am to StormyMcMan
I would assume it’s real, Nazi iconography is ubiquitous in the Ukrainian Army, from black suns to moto patches, and the nationalist movement is tied up in that mythology. I would also point out though, that war time alliance was opportunistic, and if the Germans had a different ideology, the Western Ukranians would have adopted that too. It was about separatism for them.
The Germans have also complained about this before as well, and it’s an issue for them because of the laws that surround Nazi symbols there.
I wouldn’t take the larping very seriously though. Azov was famously funded by Ihor Kolomoyskyi. So there are pretty clear limits to these people’s beliefs in the tenets of National Socialism.
The Germans have also complained about this before as well, and it’s an issue for them because of the laws that surround Nazi symbols there.
I wouldn’t take the larping very seriously though. Azov was famously funded by Ihor Kolomoyskyi. So there are pretty clear limits to these people’s beliefs in the tenets of National Socialism.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 9:56 am to Lima Whiskey
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I would assume it’s real,
Of course YOU would. You desperately want it to be real.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:15 am to Lima Whiskey
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I wouldn’t take the larping very seriously though. Azov was famously funded by Ihor Kolomoyskyi. So there are pretty clear limits to these people’s beliefs in the tenets of National Socialism.
Every country's NAZIs manage to twist it to fit their local identity and historical beefs. "Nationalism" is local.
In Ukraine, they hate Russians much more than whoever else they hate.
In Poland (POLAND!!!), they hate Russians, and Germans (!!!)...
Nobody ever said human beings make sense most of the time.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:18 am to Lee B
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At the same time, the Ukrainian army is struggling to line up 250,000 men on the front line. "In all brigades, 40% of the workforce is missing," says a French military source to Europe 1. "We are facing a wave of desertion among young conscripts," confirms a Ukrainian officer. "In Kiev, we are no longer told about armaments but about a recruitment problem," continues a French soldier returning from the front after an observation mission.
LINK
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:19 am to Lee B
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:19 am to Lee B
I watch a lot of Ukrainian media. Nazi paraphernalia is ubiquitous in the army.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:27 am to StormyMcMan
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Really makes you wonder. Not really. See my post below it.
Sure it does.
Most of the time you see comments in sequential order. So people saw that and downvoted because they ‘want’ it to be untrue. If it is true, it should absolutely be exposed.
I’m not exactly passionate either way on its validity. If it’s found to be accurate then deal with the soldiers accordingly.
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