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Is Dances With Wolves Buffalo hunt the grandest spectacle in a western?

Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:00 pm
Posted by Frac the world
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:00 pm
I don’t know of any other Western that captures the quintessential essence of the West more than the Buffalo hunt in Dances. The full gallop of Dunbar and Sioux amidst a herd of thousands of Buffalo, just what a scene

And think of the actors filming it what a once in a lifetime moment. You’re getting a herd of thousands of Buffalo running, galloping full speed on your horse beside the herd. Gives me chillbumps everytime Dunbar crests the hill with John Barry’s iconic score reaching a crescendo

I personally don’t think there’s a grander scene in all of Western cinema.







Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:04 pm to
No
Posted by faraway
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:21 pm to
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the quintessential essence of the West
spectacular but not remotely realistic. killing buffalo did not require chasing them.
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:22 pm to
I don’t know, but it is pretty awesome.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:22 pm to
Goodfellas was a better Western.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:35 pm to
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not remotely realistic. killing buffalo did not require chasing them.
a long forgotten TV movie of the 70s had this classic exchange:

WILD BILL: So you're a buffalo butcher?

BUFFALO BILL: Buffalo hunter.

WB: You have to hunt buffalo?
Posted by Frac the world
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:36 pm to
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No


Your counter?
Posted by Frac the world
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:46 pm to
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spectacular but not remotely realistic. killing buffalo did not require chasing them.


That’s completely untrue, sure there were many methods. Corralling them, sneaking up dressed in animal skins, etc. but Buffalo were hunted for thousands of years by humans. They definitely ran.

They still do. I went on a Buffalo hunt in the Henry Mountains with a buddy of mine. One of the very few free ranging Buffalo hunts in the US. They fricking run when they see you. He shot his cow in a canyon at about 300 yards because he snuck up and used the terrain to advantage, but they spooked many times based on scent and sight before that
Posted by facher08
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:23 pm to
Tatanka?
Posted by FearlessFreep
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:37 pm to
you know how they always put that line “no animals were harmed in the making of this motion picture” in the end credits



pretty sure one of the animal extras in this clip would beg to differ
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:59 pm to
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 4:26 am to
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spectacular but not remotely realistic. killing buffalo did not require chasing them.



For hundreds of years before the white man introduced guns to the Indians out west, they hunted them with spears and bows and arrows. Yes, they hunted them and chased them on horseback to get close enough to kill them.

They sure as hell didn't just stroll up to the herd and take their pick.
Posted by LSUbub12
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 7:03 am to
It’s one of my favorite scenes ever!
It’s a practical scene where they really had a herd of 4k bison stampeding.
Go read about filming this scene, it’s incredible.
The only unrealistic part is one arrow taking a bison down. In reality it took many arrows and these hunts went on for miles.
Crazy that scenes like were common place just 150 years ago in America.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 7:38 am to
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Yes, they hunted them and chased them on horseback to get close enough to kill them.


Horses were (re)introduced to the American West by the Spanish in the 16th century. Which is still relatively recent in the timeline of American Indian civilizations.

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They sure as hell didn't just stroll up to the herd and take their pick.


I'm guessing the Indians used various tactics depending on what was available to them. Maybe horses weren't ubiquitous across all tribes, at least not at first. Very reasonable to assume different tribes used sneak attacks or hide & wait plans when horses weren't available. They adapted fairly well.
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 7:43 am
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 7:43 am to
yes.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:06 am to
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For hundreds of years before the white man introduced guns to the Indians out west,

Someone correct me, but how did the Natives have access to horses and not guns? I thought Europeans introduced both to the continent at the same time.
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:31 am to
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Someone correct me, but how did the Natives have access to horses and not guns? I thought Europeans introduced both to the continent at the same time.



Horses came to N. America with the Spanish during the 1500's when they were exploring the world looking for gold. They were introduced to the Americas and got loose, started breeding and expanded the herds everywhere.

Into the 1800's many Native Indian tribes of N. America still relied on the bow and arrow as their main weapons of war and hunting.
Posted by nealnan8
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:34 am to
Not sure of the caliber of that Winchester rifle, but no way that rifle shot is taking down an adult buff who is charging. A well placed shot through the heart would eventually kill him, but it would take a while for the buff to fall.
That Indian kid would have been a stain on the prairie. The skull of that buff was bigger than the kid...instant splatter!
Posted by AUFANATL
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:52 am to
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Yes, they hunted them and chased them on horseback to get close enough to kill them.

They sure as hell didn't just stroll up to the herd and take their pick.


The indians hunted buffalo for thousands of years before Europeans and horses showed up on the scene.

One of the most successful hunting techniques was to track them (on foot) and patiently wait until the herd got near the edge of a cliff or ravine and then launch a coordinated ambush that would panic the herd and send many of them toppling over the ledge to their death like lemmings. No weapon needed and the death pile at the bottom could sustain them for long periods.

Also, the introduction of the horse completely changed the power dynamics of indian civilizations and warped our perceptions about them. For example we think of the Comanche as one of the strongest and most fearsome tribes but they were the wimps on the schoolyard getting beat up and pushed into the worst lands by the other school yard bullies. But for some reason they took to horses like fish to water and suddenly all hell broke lose and they went on a terror campaign of revenge.
Posted by LSUbub12
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 9:21 am to
Yea most Indian tribes were not nomadic, they really only hunted buffalo when they came to the Indians.
The introduction of the horse allowed them to be nomadic and follow the herds wherever they went.
Indians on the prairie did a lot of agriculture before the introduction of the horse.
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