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re: Parents, it matters where you send your kids to college
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:28 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:28 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:28 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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This is correct, but there are other variables. What is your major? Are you going to grad school? Where do you want to live? What kind of job/career do you want?
And, as you mentioned, how are you paying for it? Scholarship? Student loans? College savings?
All of those are important factors in whether an "elite" ultra-expensive education is worth it.
All this stuff on the news is but a blip in time and shouldn't even be a factor. The crazies are a small minority.
All of these schools are normal students as well. They all have College Republican chapters, etc.
Exactly. Also, nothing is happening on any of these campuses that the administration doesn't want. They're all academia and this sorta shite is how they keep their street cred.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:32 pm to ibldprplgld
quote:At the end of the day, you’ll pay for it either way. This shouldn’t even be an issue in the first place if your parental skills are grounded in principle and reason.
It’ll be my choice whether I pay for it or not.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:32 pm to ragincajun03
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In freaking Stillwater?
Dang. I learned something new today.
I know OU has that contingent due to petroleum related majors, which came up when they had a suicide bomber outside a Sooners game some years back (bomber was the only casualty IIRC). I figure that Okie State is similar.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:33 pm to redneck hippie
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we have a large Muslim and Islam population here
Both?
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:35 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Both?
I’m sure a lot of Okie State players are Nation Of Islam fans even if they aren’t traditional Muslims.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:44 pm to teke184
Good point.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:51 pm to jimmy the leg
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Tech trades make bank
Mostly people who own their own businesses.
Sure, a successful trade is better than an unsuccessful/dead end career.
But a successful career beats a successful trade most times.
As someone who deals with the trades on a daily basis, there are certainly very successful ones that would rival successful degree holders, but they are the significant minority.
Most tradesmen are just hourly wage slaves, dependent on a healthy body. As they get older and their physical skills and abilities start to deteriorate, their earning power decreases, or even ends. Some make the jump to management, but most don't.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:06 pm to lsu777
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:11 pm to ibldprplgld
So you will find out if you failed as a parent or not
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:39 pm to JellyRoll
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I know plenty who stay the course and provide a very good lifestyle for their families and have decent to good retirements. They are worn down, joint and back issues, but they by and large benefitted from trades.
This
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:42 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Sure, a successful trade is better than an unsuccessful/dead end career. But a successful career beats a successful trade most times.
I agree.
Nonetheless, comparing college grads to high school drop outs = opposite ends of the spectrum - no?
Trades can be, and have been, a means to a comfortable life for more than just a handful of people.
I don’t get dismissing that avenue of employment.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:44 pm to jimmy the leg
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I don’t get dismissing that avenue of employment.
No one is dismissing it out of hand. In fact on this board, the opposite happens more often than not (i.e., dismissing college in its entirety in favor of the trades).
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:51 pm to ItNeverRains
quote:bullshite
I don’t know a plumber or electrician who made under 100k last year, even the laziest of the lazy ones I know (probably 25 combined).
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Highest Paying States
Oregon: $73,120 annual average plumber salary, $6,093 monthly pay, $35.09 hourly wage
Alaska: $88,000 annual average plumber salary, $7,333 monthly pay, $42.18 hourly wage
North Dakota: $54,410 annual average plumber salary, $4,534 monthly pay, $26.09 hourly wage
Massachusetts: $64,300 annual average plumber salary, $5,358 monthly pay, $30.79 hourly wage
Hawaii: $65,600 annual average plumber salary, $5,467 monthly pay, $31.46 hourly wage
Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:09 pm to jimmy the leg
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Trades can be, and have been, a means to a comfortable life for more than just a handful of people.
I don’t get dismissing that avenue of employment.
I'm not dismissing it. But I don't believe it's an alternative to college -- for those who should be in college. It's definitely a valid alternative for those that don't need to be in college in the first place.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 7:01 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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But I don't believe it's an alternative to college -- for those who should be in college.
Can you inform me as to whom you believe should be in college?
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:03 pm to RebelExpress38
Ok but stem majors hopefully aren’t taking that dumb shite anyways and frankly the roi of a place like Harvard is the business connection. There are people like this lady but there also the Wall Street types, the big NY lawyer types, the big accounting people who don’t give two fricks about all this shite. Sorry but they care about taking in money, period. Stop thinking everyone is like that at these schools.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:13 pm to jimmy the leg
We don’t dismiss it, but if your kid is college material, im talking true college material aka stem aka pre law or pre med or finance, accounting, engineering. Etc etc not general studies degree type…well college is a much much better avenue
A) trades do not make bank at fricking all. I did it for years, trust me unless you consider 25/hour bank than 99% do not. Sure business owners do and a few specialty guys and then you got the OT whores who make a lot yearly but work 70-80 a week to do so. That’s not a life
B) trades are hard af, hard on your body, your mind, hard on the family, just fricking hard. Ever tried pulling wire in an attic or running galvanized screw pipe for gas lines or climb in a vessel to weld in may-September? shite is absolutely miserable. Not to mention terrible for your health
The trades are a way for the class clowns to make a middle class salary and be happy. They are not for the 3.5gpa with the even 25 act score. Sorry but it’s not
Just like college is only really for about 30% of the population, trades are not for that 30%.
And what about women? Think they fricking want to go build shite in 95* with 90% humidity wearing FR?
How many tradesman do you think make it to a superintendent level to start making $40+ an hour? How many you think get a masters license and the funding needed to start a business? You guys have very little fricking clue what goes on the trades and how you advance to even have the right to open a business
Yall just shout…send them to trade school….thats cool, they can work for my kids one day.
A) trades do not make bank at fricking all. I did it for years, trust me unless you consider 25/hour bank than 99% do not. Sure business owners do and a few specialty guys and then you got the OT whores who make a lot yearly but work 70-80 a week to do so. That’s not a life
B) trades are hard af, hard on your body, your mind, hard on the family, just fricking hard. Ever tried pulling wire in an attic or running galvanized screw pipe for gas lines or climb in a vessel to weld in may-September? shite is absolutely miserable. Not to mention terrible for your health
The trades are a way for the class clowns to make a middle class salary and be happy. They are not for the 3.5gpa with the even 25 act score. Sorry but it’s not
Just like college is only really for about 30% of the population, trades are not for that 30%.
And what about women? Think they fricking want to go build shite in 95* with 90% humidity wearing FR?
How many tradesman do you think make it to a superintendent level to start making $40+ an hour? How many you think get a masters license and the funding needed to start a business? You guys have very little fricking clue what goes on the trades and how you advance to even have the right to open a business
Yall just shout…send them to trade school….thats cool, they can work for my kids one day.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 9:02 am
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:24 pm to anc
I always told the high school students I taught that they should choose a college in the South with no commie professors
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:28 pm to lsu777
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Stop thinking everyone is like that at these schools.
I’d be willing to bet 90% of the faculty is like that at all the “elite” Ivy schools which is what this discussion was about.
For every STEM grad these schools put out, they are putting out 10 liberal arts Lesbian Dance theory majors who add nothing of value to society. But people like you still gladly prop them up as elite institutions worthy of praise because 50 years ago a degree from there actually meant something.
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