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re: Costs of the new prison sentence legislation in LA
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:40 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:40 pm to 4cubbies
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These issues unfortunately start at home with parenting
I agree. So how about stop incentivizing women to keep popping out another child every 9 months whose Daddy ain't gonna be around?
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:41 pm to 4cubbies
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You're implying causality that isn't established.
No. I follow base human nature and the plain ole statistics.
You need not look any further than the great society and the massive expansion of welfare and what it has done to the poor over the last 60 years.
Among the poorest 1/3 of Americans…. Those that welfare is aimed at helping….
Birthdates have remained steady and above that of the top 2/3 of Americans.
Babies born out of wedlock has skyrocketed.
Single parent home rate has skyrocketed.
Health for the bottom 1/3rd has gotten worse.
Incarceration rate has gone up for the bottom 1/3rd.
Reading and writing skills have plummeted for the bottom 1/3rd.
Weird how incentivizing bad decision making has done more harm to the poorest and most marginalized communities through welfare programs than any other period of American history.
The numbers get worse when rather than looking at the bottom 1/3 as a whole and look at minority groups on their own.
What the great society and welfare has done to the black community is disgusting. Welfare did what slavery and Jim Crow couldn’t - it destroyed the black family unit. And it did it, not with violence and bigotry, but by the illusion of “helping” and “caring”
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:45 pm to 4cubbies
You’re being purposely obtuse. There are many ways you can have experience besides being arrested.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:55 pm to NIH
Would you volunteer your personal information/experiences if you were me?
I don’t mind talking about my experiences within the cj system but it’s annoying to have weirdos bring up things in efforts to insult and disparage me at random moments.
I don’t mind talking about my experiences within the cj system but it’s annoying to have weirdos bring up things in efforts to insult and disparage me at random moments.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:56 pm to 4cubbies
Touché
Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:44 pm to 4cubbies
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Recidivism is a failure by the state to rehabilitate.
So then they should stay in prison.
I bet you are one of these abolish ice and abolish prison folks.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:47 pm to 4cubbies
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Employment is the single biggest factor impacting recidivism. If someone is able to find work, they stay out of jail.
3 downvotes for an established fact?
Because you are forgetting the most important part. They have to keep their job or even want to get a job to begin with.
You dont really post facts but your feelings.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:50 pm to 4cubbies
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Do you think this would help their children to be raised in environments that would foster positive mental and physical health?
they should be snipped.
money wont solve the problem. The majority of the federal budget is spent on transfer payments.
Trillions in wealth has been given to the poor and they stay poor.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:05 pm to dgnx6
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You dont really post facts but your feelings.
my feelings are that studies demonstrate that employment is the biggest factor impacting recidivism? I don’t think you know what feelings are. I shouldn’t even dignify this low-effort misogynistic bull with a response.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:11 pm to beerJeep
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Weird how incentivizing bad decision making
This is where your argument fails. Additional food stamps for more mouths to feed isn't an incentive. There is a years-long waitlist for section 8 so that's not really an incentive either. People aren't flying private or going to Disney World because they get food stamps.
I'm not advocating handing cash out to people who say they need it.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:26 pm to 4cubbies
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Glad I have your permission to do something I’ve already been doing for years. Such a relief.
Clearly it's not working/catching on.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:59 pm to dgnx6
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I bet you are one of these abolish ice and abolish prison folks.
I'd bet a lot of money she's a big proponent of "Restorative Justice."
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:02 pm to dgnx6
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Employment is the single biggest factor impacting recidivism. If someone is able to find work, they stay out of jail.
3 downvotes for an established fact?
Because you are forgetting the most important part. They have to keep their job or even want to get a job to begin with.
You dont really post facts but your feelings.
Liberals truly believe that anyone saying the poor--especially poor that are majority black--don't want to work is a lie... and of course, "racist."
They think all these poor black people would jump at the chance to work but racist whitey just ain't hiring them, yo... cuz they black. "Systemic racism, privilege, disadvantaged, equity and something something something..."
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:26 pm to 4cubbies
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Additional food stamps for more mouths to feed isn't an incentive. There is a years-long waitlist for section 8 so that's not really an incentive either.
Yes it is
Look! There’s a year long wait!
Who is more likely to get that housing voucher, cubbies? A single adult or a single mother with 3 kids?
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:29 pm to 4cubbies
I do not object to the cost of incarceration. Keeping criminals away from the rest of us is a good thing.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:31 pm to 4cubbies
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How does your rant disprove the fact that employment is the biggest indicator of recidivism?
Please post the study the leads to this articulation. The most liberal estimate of unemployment among those released from prison was around 27%. That was back in 2018 and recidivism was then around 70%.
Thus, I'd like to see this work. Recidivism is way too high, and I'm not sure that is very meaningful that employment may have the strongest correlation (which I haven't seen your study to determine if that is what you mean). Even if we had full employment of released persons, then you still have too much recividism where this would make much of an impact.
Conversely, in 2021, there was an annual estimated cost of crime totalling
quote:Journal of Law and Economics
T... an estimated annual loss valued at $2.86–$3.92 trillion, or $4.71–$5.78 trillion including transfers from victims to criminals. These costs are comparable to the $3.83 trillion spent on health care (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services 2020) and the $2.71 trillion spent on food and shelter (US Department of Labor 2020a) annually in the United States.
While that is not just Louisiana, I am not aware of any study at levels other than federal levels. I've seen attempts at ROI on incarceration, but I'm not sure any provide a real way to measure the avoided crime by those that are incarcerated. In fact, most of the studies are based on prison programs and their impact at reducing recidivism.
Nevertheless, we do see that the cost of crime seriously outpaces the cost of incarceration when it comes to homicide, and is pretty close in serious assault. See Trump White House
There is utility in programs that reduce recidivism or increase employment, but that doesn't mean that we should avoid the isolative benefit that comes with incarceration. In past centuries, you could reduce costs by just shipping the offenders to somewhere outside your territorial jurisdiction. That option is no longer available.
Your analysis though is seriously misplaced because you always start from a premise that criminal justice is only about rehabilitation while completely ignoring the other goals of isolation, deterrence, and punishment. Indeed, when this is pointed out, you usually just start fixating on "deterrence" and overstating studies on the limitations of a deterrent effect. I think most of the people that have responded to you are dealing with "isolation" and haven't seen you discuss that potential topic at all.
There isn't anything rational about stating: "We can't get the recidivism number low enough, so we should just let everybody go." nor "Its too expensive, we should just let everybody go." Housing costs will continue to increase, but the need to have a criminal justice system will always be ever present.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:50 pm to 4cubbies
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factor impacting recidivism
Sigh
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:57 pm to Walt OReilly
quote:Tent Cities
Quit feeding them 3 meals a day. Cut off the cable and TVs, no more AC.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 5:07 pm to 4cubbies
quote:We need twice as many beds. People who commit heinous acts like that shooting in Kenner almost always have a prodigious history of violence and multiple arrests. It is sad how many lives are destroyed by criminals who should be in prison rather than terrorizing communities.
We currently have more than 28,300 people in prisons across the state
Posted on 5/1/24 at 6:12 pm to 4cubbies
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you believe that people have children because they believe they might will be eligible for a daycare subsidy
A daycare subsidy is the tip of the iceberg. Add subsidized housing, food assistance, Medicaid, welfare checks, etc.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 6:15 pm
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