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Any IH 800 planter experts on the OB?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:55 am
Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:55 am
I have an old planter that I’m trying to troubleshoot and can’t really find much info searching the web. Any recs?
I use the planter in a no-till fashion. It cuts the soil and deposits seeds perfectly, with good depth control. But the closing wheels don’t seem to be doing anything. The trench stays open much of the time. I’d thought that the wheels may be worn, but they don’t seem to be.
I use the planter in a no-till fashion. It cuts the soil and deposits seeds perfectly, with good depth control. But the closing wheels don’t seem to be doing anything. The trench stays open much of the time. I’d thought that the wheels may be worn, but they don’t seem to be.
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:06 am to turkish
Is the planter running level. Ie top link adjusted correctly?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:17 am to turkish
What tensions the wheels? Do they have leaf spring looking bars that come down from the brackets?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:30 am to No Colors
I guess he got it figured out. 
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:45 am to No Colors
It’s a coil spring that runs up to the press wheel arm.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:46 am to White Bear
It seems like it. I get good contact from the press wheel which is behind the closing wheels. Probably wouldn’t be a bad idea to monkey with that a little, though. Thanks.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 11:47 am
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:50 am to turkish
quote:I would extend the top link first vs fricking with the individual closing wheel down pressure springs.
It’s a coil spring that runs up to the press wheel arm.
To add, adding more pressure to the fat packing wheel via the top link will force the closing discs down. Shouldn’t take much adjustment.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:09 pm to White Bear
Ah. I see that loading the packing wheel pressure should help now. Thanks.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:05 pm to White Bear
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To add, adding more pressure to the fat packing wheel via the top link will force the closing discs down. Shouldn’t take much adjustment.
This.
First things first, though. Make sure you’re not putting the planter down too far and making the planter tilt forward on its head. You want your parallel linkage bars running level to the ground. You also want your toolbar to be level too. The deeper your hitch, and the more your planter is sitting on the head of the unit, you’ll easily plant into moisture, but the less your closing system is going to do well.
If your whole planter is running level, and you’re still having problems, then can start fooling with the closing system. Tilt it back a round or two at a time to start putting more pressure on the press wheel... If you’re still having trouble, then adjust the tension down to the closing wheels.
You want to keep the planter as level as possible though. The further you tilt it back, your planting depth will begin to get erratic.
If you can’t be fairly level and close, you probably need some new, or more aggressive, closing disks.
Can you adjust the pitch of the closing disk any? Like, make them pinch harder towards the seed trench?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 6:01 pm to prostyleoffensetime
Pinch it too hard with the closing discs will frick it up too. I recall when my old man got our first 7300 with that IH/Kinze shite on it. We had hell getting it set.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:33 pm to prostyleoffensetime
I don’t think I can adjust the pitch. I’m fairly certain (didn’t use it this spring) that there are spots where the closing disks are barely (or barely not at all) making contact with the ground. Probably doesn’t help that I’ve tried to be planting pretty shallow (milo, peas, buckwheat, sunflowers).
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:01 am to turkish
You need to make sure your planter is running level and your closing disks aren’t worn down. The diagram I found shows the closing disk being 8 inches in diameter. A half inch of wear makes a lot of difference on opening and closing disks, and problems get amplified in a no till environment.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:25 am to prostyleoffensetime
This is great. I’ve got close to 1/2” of wear.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 1:37 pm to turkish
Shoup Parts
I swear all that older IH shite looks like it was designed and built in an eastern bloc country compared to mean green.
I swear all that older IH shite looks like it was designed and built in an eastern bloc country compared to mean green.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 6:19 am
Posted on 5/14/24 at 9:34 pm to White Bear
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I swear all that older IH shite looks like it was designed and built in an eastern bloc country compared to mean green.
Mean Green has done about priced their self out of the market for me. Some of their pricing has gotten ridiculous.
Video I made of my son running a green tractor the other day.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:28 am to highcotton2
They priced me out from go.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:58 am to White Bear
Yeah. I’d gotten the impression that these IHs did better no tilling without any additional mods, accessories. And I found a good deal. I suspect a well used bone stock 7000 would probably do close to just as good. Don’t they have the double offset openers like the IH? With the little searching I did, the old 7000s were double what I found this IH for.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:58 am to turkish
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Don’t they have the double offset openers like the IH? With the little searching I did, the old 7000s were double what I found this IH for.
7000 doesn’t have offset openers like case. We always ran a worn disc on one side that gave it a leading edge to help it cut through residue and to keep from hair pinning straw. Martin row cleaners on the front of the unit help a lot sweeping debris out of the way for the openers.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/15/24 at 1:16 pm to turkish
quote:the 7100’s and 7300’s I’m familiar with don’t have offset disc openers. I have a Kinze 3100 and the units are basically Deere with the double disc and fat tire closing wheels vs the Deere “std” pinch v-wheel setup or whatever you call it.
Don’t they have the double offset openers like the IH? With the little searching I did, the old 7000s were double what I found this IH for.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:42 pm to White Bear
That’s always been a difference between IH and Deere planters.
IH were really popular with heavy ground soybean farms in the Delta back in the day. The IH offset closing disks would close better when the heavy clay dried out and started turning to concrete. Twin row Great Plains planters with heavy cast V wheels have taken their place on a lot of those farms.
IH were really popular with heavy ground soybean farms in the Delta back in the day. The IH offset closing disks would close better when the heavy clay dried out and started turning to concrete. Twin row Great Plains planters with heavy cast V wheels have taken their place on a lot of those farms.
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