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re: Pels want to move to top of draft, BI to be “aggressively” shopped per Stein
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:34 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:34 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Now its Griffins fault that he liked him so much that he couldn’t shoot 3s and adjust.
Clearly Griffin's love affair with BI made BI sort of a dick about things.
This was tolerable a year ago, b/c part of that BI dickness was a loyalty to Griffin/Nola, which we didn't think we had with Zion. After this year, Zion seems bought into NO, and he's not quite the super duper star he could have been, so we can explore trading BI instead. BI's refusal to adapt to the new offense makes it that much easier.
I wish we had real commitment from Zion last year, so that we could have dealt BI with more value.
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:36 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Lol you never answer questions and then call people straw man.
I did answer your question.
You did make up an argument I never said.
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Im not making shite up- you literally said our best option in the draft is a white point guard.
Where did I say this?
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. You also meant that in a demeaning way like hes not worth shite in your reference.
I explained fully my issues with Sheppard, which are nowhere close to "he's not worth shite" or being white had anything to do with it. Or, hell, that his athleticism had anything to do with it.
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Now you’re backtracking.
I can' backtrack from something I never did. I'm bringing this conversation from your fantasy back to reality.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:50 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Enough already! Whenever there is a disagreement, you go on for 4-5 pages trying to get the last word. We get it. You and SFP do not agree and will not. MOVE ON!
SLOWFLOWPRO STILL HAS NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION:
Name any NBA team that structures their team around a player like Ingram?
Man up and answer the question. Or just say you were wrong.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:52 pm to NOSHAU
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Enough already! Whenever there is a disagreement, you go on for 4-5 pages trying to get the last word. We get it. You and SFP do not agree and will not. MOVE ON!
Shouldnt you be yelling at people to get off your lawn or tell your grandkids to stop making so much noise.
Don’t like my posts feel free to not to read them or complain to the admin on it. Otherwise I could care less in regards to what you think I should do.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:56 pm to Pels_Yaz
Smart teams will not want Ingram.
But it only takes one dumbass GM to think they can change him so I guess that's what we have to hope for.
If BI would even just sell fouls he could at least be as good as Derozan. But he doesn't and he's not.
But it only takes one dumbass GM to think they can change him so I guess that's what we have to hope for.
If BI would even just sell fouls he could at least be as good as Derozan. But he doesn't and he's not.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:17 pm to TigerinATL
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This is where this board has lost its way with BI. You can only see the last 2 years. He shot over 6 3s a game under Gentry and Finch before the keys were handed to him. He will adjust to not being a #1 wherever he is traded. It’s a shame he can’t do it here, but once roles are established it’s hard to not see that kind of change as a demotion.
Not sure why you getting downvoted on this. I think this is the case here. If he goes to a team that already has an established star, I think he falls in line. He’s not gonna come in and try to take over the team. I bet by next year most on here will be questioning why he didn’t play like this with us.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:27 pm to Townedrunkard
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Not sure why you getting downvoted on this.
This board's biggest blind spots are not considering enough data and recency bias. In their defense, the 2 seasons where BI shot over 6 3s a game at 38% and 39%, were the pre and during COVID seasons. I'd say anything from that time frame seems like forever ago to most of us.
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I bet by next year most on here will be questioning why he didn’t play like this with us.
I think that's what is going to happen too. Sadly that's just how humans work.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:29 pm to TigerinATL
It'll be a contract year for him so you should expect him to have a really strong year on a different team.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:32 pm to TigerinATL
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I bet by next year most on here will be questioning why he didn’t play like this with us. I think that's what is going to happen too. Sadly that's just how humans work.
Look at Jrue shooting 3s since he left.
Dude shot under 36% the last 5 years he was here.
He’s averaged 40.3% in the 4 years since he’s left.
Makes a big difference when you go from being the #2 guy to the number 3 or 4 or 5 guy like he is now.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 12:08 am to TeddyPadillac
I was excited to click on this thread seeing it at 12 pages, only to be disappointed that this SlowPoke dude hijakced the crap out of it.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:01 am to NOSHAU
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Enough already! Whenever there is a disagreement, you go on for 4-5 pages trying to get the last word. We get it. You and SFP do not agree and will not. MOVE ON!
But SFP is the one "derailing the thread"......
SFP and Teddy are doing yeoman's work.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:04 am to TigerinATL
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This is where this board has lost its way with BI. You can only see the last 2 years. He shot over 6 3s a game under Gentry and Finch before the keys were handed to him. He will adjust to not being a #1 wherever he is traded. It’s a shame he can’t do it here, but once roles are established it’s hard to not see that kind of change as a demotion.
He can't do it here because Zion is way too unreliable, so BI has to be ready to go #1 mode at any given time. Again, Zion is a big part of the BI problem, but people don't want to blame him because he has higher upside. That said, he is such a weird piece that any team you build to fit perfectly around him is going to suck absolute arse when he goes out, because the only way for him to be effective offensively is to dominate the ball.
Now, give me my damn downvotes.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:10 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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He can't do it here because Zion is way too unreliable, so BI has to be ready to go #1 mode at any given time.
Oh man the sacrifices BI made on this team to be with Zion! He forced himself to be a #1 guy! Man BI was such a basketball martyr on this team and got so much undeserved blame!! Hahahaha!
This is great I hope Griffin uses this bullshite to get more assets for him when we ship off BI arse.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:11 am to TeddyPadillac
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Nance, who had a worse on/off NetRtg than JV this past year.
Our NetRtg was better with JV than it was with Larry this year.
How y'all like this stat:
starting lineup 3P% with JV: 39% attempting 6.5 per game.
starting lineup 3P% with Larry: 28% attempting 3.0 per game.
We rebounded drastically better, had more assists, blocked more shots, and had more steals, which all lead to the NetRtg being better with JV than Larry.
This, to me, is where Willie lost my support. Nance over JV was just stupid in so many ways.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:12 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Zion has absolutely made things difficult for BI and with his injury history he may continue to make things difficult for any costar. That's a big reason why I have Dejounte Murray as my top target. He's been the #1 at an All Star level before if Zion does go down, but he's also already eaten the humble pie and transitioned to a proper #2 role for when Zion is healthy. I'm hoping that means he can go back and forth if needed.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:13 am to Pels_Yaz
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So he can’t shoot 3s and handle the ball at the same time?
Not as effectively, you fool. Do you want a guy hunting pull-up 3s against close defense chasing him over screens?
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We went point Zion in the second half- he still didn’t shoot 3s. You guys need to stop making excuses for him.
Are you sure his numbers didn't increase in that 15 game stretch where Zion was finally in shape and consistently able to initiate the offense?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:17 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Not as effectively, you fool. Do you want a guy hunting pull-up 3s against close defense chasing him over screens?
Ok fool. So you’re telling me people who handle the ball more basically are effectively hampered from shooting the 3 more? Just making sure thats what you’re stating?
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Are you sure his numbers didn't increase in that 15 game stretch where Zion was finally in shape and consistently able to initiate the offense?
Pretty sure but you can pull up stats and show me I’m wrong. I think when we went on that stretch to get to the 4 seed for two days- his scoring had dipped dramatically.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:18 am to TigerinATL
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Zion has absolutely made things difficult for BI and with his injury history he may continue to make things difficult for any costar. That's a big reason why I have Dejounte Murray as my top target. He's been the #1 at an All Star level before if Zion does go down, but he's also already eaten the humble pie and transitioned to a proper #2 role for when Zion is healthy. I'm hoping that means he can go back and forth if needed.
Hope in one hand and shite in the other, I guess. Asking anyone to bounce back and forth between 2 entirely different roles is going to hamper their efficiency in both roles. Basically, trading BI goes 100% all-in on a guy who has never finished a season.
I agree that we have to replace BI's creation if we trade him, I just don't think it's going to magically fix the root issue, which is that Zion's game is kind of self-limiting to your roster. Zion absolutely needs to find a way to become more effective off the ball or he will never reach his potential. Imagine if he could have hit some of those wide-open threes he was given all year. Imagine if he could provide some spacing on his own, then you could develop a more balanced roster.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:18 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:It;'s the same shite with you EVERY time. You always want the last word and will argue with anyone and everyone for pages and pages like a freaking child. It is frustrating to enter a 12 page thread thinking there is important information to be discussed only to see more than half of it being yet another pissing match between you and SFP. Grow the hell up.
Shouldnt you be yelling at people to get off your lawn or tell your grandkids to stop making so much noise.
Don’t like my posts feel free to not to read them or complain to the admin on it. Otherwise I could care less in regards to what you think I should do.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:20 am to NOSHAU
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It;'s the same shite with you EVERY time. You always want the last word and will argue with anyone and everyone for pages and pages like a freaking child. It is frustrating to enter a 12 page thread thinking there is important information to be discussed only to see more than half of it being yet another pissing match between you and SFP. Grow the hell up.
I want the last word but you’re basically picking a fight with me because you don’t like me arguing with SFP? Maybe you should listen to your own posts and grow up as well.
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