re: Magic are the betting favorite to land Brandon Ingram

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Care to elaborate why?

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Who cares about his fit?
he’s no where near the caliber of player as BI, or even Dejounte Murray.
You don’t trade BI for a couple of role players who won’t even start for you.
It’s a stupid trade that makes us worse.

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If Pels lose Herb,

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Why are we losing Herb?

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Dumbasses keep insisting that he be included in trades.

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Theres this assumption Atlanta would only do trades with us if Herb was included. That was true at the deadline but I’m not sure that would still apply to any trade with ATL now. It seems like the team is going full rebuild and may not even prefer Herb.

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If Pels lose Herb, Suggs is as close of a clone as you can get. He was 10th in DPOY voting, shoots the 3 at 40% on 5 apg, and is only 22 years old.

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I think Herb is the better defender, but Suggs is the better offensive player. When you watch that guy play he's got some stuff in the tank that the Magic didn't ask him to use. There's no reason he can't be a 16-18 ppg scorer.

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veryone turning their nose up at him are looking no further than his rookie season and thinking he’s a bust

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Not once did I say he was a bad player.
But he cannot be the centerpiece of a BI trade. That’s a laughably bad centerpiece.
And if he’s so like Herb then send him to ATL instead of Herb.
There’s a huge difference in size and length between Suggs and Herb.
6’4” vs 6’8” in height.
6’6” vs 7’ in wingspan.
I’m not swapping Herb for Suggs. It makes no sense to unless the BI upgrade is well worth it and requires Herb. I don’t think Trae fits that bill where I have to give up Herb.
Send BI and Herb to Phx for Booker and then I’ll have interest in Suggs.

Geez y'all have a hard time reading I see

Besides until Atlanta makes a decision on what direction they are going all the hypothetical trades are just gauging value. They might prioritize draft picks over anything else, which we can do also

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Bogdan would be a nice piece to get back in an Atlanta trade.

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Think about the pieces we already have.

I think people are forgetting what we currently have.

Our starters our
CJ
Herb
BI
Zion
Center

We need a 5 obviously, and we need a scorer to replace BI.
After that we still have:
Trey - needs to start, which means BI and CJ both need to be traded or he won't start.
Jose - a great backup PG that we shouldn't trade.
Dyson - top 10 draft pick going into his 3rd year who's already one of the best defenders in the league, made improvements with his floater and corner 3's and plays position 1-3
Hawkins - backup SG that should be able to take Trey's role off the bench and shoot 3's at will
Naji - the kind of multi tool every team needs as their 10th guy. Will need a new contract. I could see us deciding between Naji and Dyson.
Larry - Still a good backup 5 in the league, but I'm sure most of us want to upgrade him.
#21 pick - somoene who hopefully can earn minutes.


So if we were to trade both CJ and BI, we still have 4-6 guys on the bench that need minutes, unless we are trading them as well.



Don't ask for ATL to throw in Bogdan unless you are ready to give up on Hawkins and trade him.
Do'nt ask for Suggs unless you are ok with losing Herb for some dumbass reason. Herb isn't for sale unless it means we are combining him with BI and getting back a legit top 10-15 player in the league. If you want Suggs to replace Dyson, then so be it.



We have a good team right now, with a lot of guys that deserve minutes.
WE DON'T NEED MORE ROLE PLAYERS THAT WILL COMPETE WITH JOSE/HAWKINS/DYSON/NAJI IN A BI TRADE.

We need Trey to take BI's spot, a new center, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY A SCORER TO TAKE BI'S SKILLSET THAT'S LEAVING.
The only role players we should be looking for are backup 4 and 5 that can shoot.

From a cost perspective alone, getting any pieces past Trae mean sending out more money.

Trae, Ogonkwu, and Bogdan combined make about $70m.

That is equal to BI, CJ, and Nance given our available salaries, as most other big salaries are untouchable or too small to make a difference here.

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Are we title contenders once we trade BI?

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If we don't get back the ONE piece needed to get us there, then what the hell is the point of trading him? We just gonna build a team of role players and hope Zion turns into one of the top 10 players to ever play the game?

If we don't get to that championship contender in the next 3 years, Zion is asking for a trade.


We have too many assets to not shoot for the stars right here. We've been hoarding all these picks (the ones our idiot GM hasn't had to give away) and young players for what? to hold onto them longer? We got this "haul" for AD and Jrue and what do we have to show for it?
BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER NOW!
and that doesn't mean we have to make the finals next year, as i woudln't expect that no matter who we get, but if we don't come out of this trade with a team that is an obvious 2nd round playoff team with potential for more in the future, then what the frick are we doing?

It comes down to our perceived window of contention and how much of an upgrade someone like Bogdan would be over Hawkins, Dyson, or both given they make less than him and are under team control for longer.


Bogdan is a decent win now move but I don’t think he is the piece I would trade our young guys for.