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re: You still think Joker didn't deserve his MVP?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:14 am to theunknownknight
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:14 am to theunknownknight
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So you’re going to pretend Lebron didn't GO TO teams with HoF/All-Star players in their primes his entire career?
I mean the only time he did this was going to the Heat. When he went back to Cleveland, their only all-star was a 3rd year player in Kyrie Irving, who was busy leading Cleveland to 30 win seasons.
When he went to LA, they were led by the rookies Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram.
So no, Lebron did not go to teams with HOF players during his entire career.
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:19 am to QJenk
Who did Shaq want to be MVP?
SGA? Luka?
SGA? Luka?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:21 am to theCAW
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I’d take Jokic on my team over any player at any point of their career including prime jordan
Well that's certainly a take.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:25 am to QJenk
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their only all-star was a 3rd year player in Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love had made the All-Star game three times in Minn before Lebron went to Cleveland and Love was recruited to Cleveland before Lebron went there, and was in fact a LARGE reason Lebron went as the trade for Love was being worked out and executed shortly after Lebron said he was going back there.
It was orchestrated as part of the deal to entice Lebron to come back.
Did you not follow the NBA at all then?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:37 am to theunknownknight
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That graph is incorrect by a large margin
quote:So the graph is 100% correct, it's just not what you wanted it to be, is what you meant
Lebron played with 32 players who made the all-star team, not all while playing WITH him
It's funny how you claim the graph is disingenuous but think it would be less disingenuous to count ALL of Shaq's accolades for a Lebron teammate.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 11:38 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:41 am to theunknownknight
Love wasn't on the team already though. He wasn't traded to Cleveland until a month later.
Besides that point, Love was putting up good stats on some really bad Minnesota teams. He was not a winning player. He's a longshot from ever making the HOF.
Besides that point, Love was putting up good stats on some really bad Minnesota teams. He was not a winning player. He's a longshot from ever making the HOF.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:47 am to theunknownknight
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The best three players in the league by far were not born in the USA (Jokic, Luka, Embiid), with Wembanyama coming in hot.
Can't put Embiid on there over Giannis. Though all that does is help the non USA argument.
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SGA never belonged in the MVP conversation. He was only there to represent IMO.
Well that's just not true
Dude had an incredible season and put OKC's timeline way above schedule. Luka and Embiid were in no way BY FAR better than SGA. Hell, neither of them were by far better than Tatum. 
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:36 pm to theunknownknight
quote:You said USA though.
You do know Canada is part of North America right?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 1:30 pm to BayouBaw84
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You said USA though.
He said America
Posted on 5/15/24 at 1:31 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Can't put Embiid on there over Giannis. Though all that does is help the non USA argument.
I think so - when Embiid is healthy, he might be the best of the all. When he is healthy.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 1:33 pm to shel311
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It's funny how you claim the graph is disingenuous but think it would be less disingenuous to count ALL of Shaq's accolades for a Lebron teammate.
counting the same teammate over and over like that Graph (and counting teammates when one is on the bench for two seasons) did makes it even worse, ESPECIALLY when you consider how Lebron's teammate accolades conveniently explode past year 8 as everyone is obviously aware. People forget how good Bosh was because Lebron was so ball dominate when he got to Miami. Wade, Bosh, and James were all 3 in the top PER the year before they teamed up.
That wasn't just "all-stars" coming together. That was 3 mvp candidates coming together.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 5/15/24 at 2:04 pm to theballguy
Game 5 was prime Joker - destroyed the DPOY and number one defense in the league. They had no answer, and it wasn't that they were playing bad defenst. He was just unguardable last night, around the basket, from distance, his passing and played solid defense as well. It was a freaking clinic.
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